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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

On that point, we have talked about a warts and all policy. Too often, I hear about conversations, particularly on the most controversial decisions that are made, where meeting minutes have not been taken. We heard that in relation to both the Ferguson Marine scandal and, on several occasions, in relation to the former First Minister, with minutes not being taken of meetings between Scottish Government officials and lawyers and others. What action is the permanent secretary taking to ensure that that never happens again?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Thank you to the Deputy First Minister, the permanent secretary and officials for coming today. This was the last evidence session of our inquiry into effective Scottish Government decision making. We will consider our next steps at our meeting next Tuesday.

We will take a short break before the next item on our agenda, which is an evidence session with the permanent secretary.

11:10 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Thank you. I will start with Lord Maude’s review of governance and accountability, which the UK Government established to recommend ways to make the Government more efficient. It is looking at the efficiency and effectiveness of the UK civil service. How will you give input to that review, given that you will be charged in part with delivering its outcomes in Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

For the sake of clarity, that remains the policy of the Government; it has not changed with the new Administration. You are taking the same approach that was set out in the resource spending review and the First Minister has asked you to do that. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

But you are continuing on that basis. There has been no change of the policy that you are working to, by the sounds of things.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Has the First Minister requested revision of the ministerial code?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

I thank all of you for your evidence and for answering all our questions.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting.

12:19 Meeting continued in private until 12:29.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

That is interesting.

I will move on to a different issue. On 5 May, the Secretary of State for Scotland, Alister Jack, questioned the appropriateness of UK civil servants working for the new Minister for Independence. You have talked about the new regime and the new ministers. I think that the Secretary of State wrote to Simon Case at that point and that, in essence, it was bumped to you. As I understand it, it is a matter for the Scottish Government permanent secretary in the first instance. What is your response to that, please?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

On the resource spending review, the previous Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy said that she wanted a return to pre-Covid levels in the public sector head count and in the size of the civil service. What is the status of that work and the policy commitment to reduce head count?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Michael Marra

Michelle Thomson will start the questions.