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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

We had evidence on that point last week. One panel member said:

“By making it harder for local authorities to place children in Scotland, our hope would be that that would somewhat force the issue of providing more appropriate places in England.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 22 March 2023; c 46.]

In terms of the dynamic of the bill, do you see that change happening in England if we make it more difficult for such placements to happen in Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

In its written evidence, St Mary’s Kenmure refers to cross-border placements subsidising the bed rate for young people in Scotland by

“cross border authorities who are willing to pay more than the Scotland Excel rate”.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

It is projected that the bill will result in a potential increase in referrals into secure care. Do we have capacity in the secure care system to meet those referrals? I put that question to Kevin Northcott.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

But that is not ending cross-border placements, which was your original position.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

Earlier, I touched on a point about the financial sustainability of cross-border placements. The bill seeks to further regulate those placements. Do the provisions go far enough in terms of ensuring the welfare of those vulnerable children?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

Thanks, Meg. Kate, would you like to come in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 March 2023

Michael Marra

The basis of your desire to end cross-border placements is about maintaining the right to a family life—is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Michael Marra

Convener, I think that, if witnesses are able to share any information on that last-bed issue, it would be useful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Michael Marra

The analysis of the harm and of the benefits for young people of being located close to their community or in their community makes sense. It is reasonable and sound, and I will draw on your expertise on that. However, I worry about some of the language and the talk of a forced reduction, which it feels to me is the case with some of the numbers. If those young people have nowhere else to go, should we not welcome them here? Is it your contention that, by being less welcoming in a legislative framework, we can force the United Kingdom Government to do better? I wish that it would do better, but is that the contention? It feels to me that, if we make the process more difficult, we could put more children at risk, whether they are from south of the border or not. Megan, I was particularly concerned about your language.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Michael Marra

I would contend that things are not managed well in every circumstance. I suppose that nothing can be—mistakes will be made, and there will be problems. I have dealt with constituency casework that has involved very difficult situations in which those things have not been managed. Essentially, there were voluntary dispensations that fell between the cracks, with local authorities not having the resource to carry things through. Is there nothing that we could do in the bill to further strengthen the support for managing the arrangements between victims and perpetrators who are in the same community?