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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

Thank you for your evidence. We have gone slightly over time and I appreciate your forbearance, particularly with me at the end.

I think—[Interruption.] Bear with me a second while I look for the script. This is my first time convening a committee meeting, which you will have noticed.

We will continue taking evidence on effective Scottish Government decision making at our next meeting.

That concludes the public part of the meeting. The next item on our agenda, which will be discussed in private, is consideration of our work programme.

11:10 Meeting continued in private until 11:22.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

Douglas Lumsden, do you want to come in with a specific supplementary question?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

Yes, there is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

Do you not feel that that has been covered?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

Some of our earlier discussion was about trust between the Government and your organisations. I am also concerned about the public’s trust. We are talking about big policy regimes. For example, I am thinking about the Promise to care-experienced young people, where there is a real frustration with its lack of progress and it not being delivered, but there is political unanimity that it is the right thing to do. Do we risk the trust of organisations and the public if we set ambitious change directions but have not thought about how we might deliver them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

I have nothing to declare.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

Lucy Hughes said that we have strategies that are “world leading” and Craig McLaren said that we have “good policy” but surely that is not the case if how those things will be delivered is not thought through. Are they not simply completely unrealistic in that regard? In what way are they “world leading” if they cannot be delivered?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

The previous First Minister set out a national mission to combat drug deaths in Scotland. How have your organisations been involved in the decisions to implement that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

I raise that example because it feels a little emblematic of something that we have discussed already in that there was a need for the country to pursue a high-level, very challenging policy direction on the back of quite catastrophic data, which, in that case, showed that we had one of the worst drug deaths records in the developed world. I am trying to understand how all the organisations orientate towards dealing with something like that. That example might be illustrative to me, in the first instance, so I understand that the question might feel a little bit left field in the conversation.

How would your organisations be involved in the work of public service reform in areas like that? I will cite some other examples, such as the Promise, which requires that high-level statement, very detailed public service reform and the involvement of organisations. Another example is what the previous First Minister called the “sacred duty” of closing the attainment gap. Those are big public sector reforms. Are you involved in those decisions? If so, how does that work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Michael Marra

If you can give an answer in writing, the committee would appreciate it.