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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Equalities and Human Rights

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will follow on from what Karen Adam said. This is, of course, a very sensitive subject, and a lot of people have opposing views. Mothers, daughters and wives are all very worried that the proposals will take away their protections—it would be pointless to sit here and pretend otherwise.

Cabinet secretary, given that you said that we cannot go through all 17,000 responses, how will the Scottish Government carry out further consultation and engagement on the issue before the bill is introduced? I am mindful that you said that you are looking to introduce it in spring. Should we do any further work to ensure that we protect women’s rights, too?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, and thank you for coming along to give evidence.

At last week’s evidence session, I asked one of the witnesses what impact their proposals would have on the support that is provided by religious leaders, specifically with regard to barriers of language and culture. Their answers were enlightening, and that has brought me to my questions today. Blair Anderson mentioned that

“around 60-plus per cent of respondents to the national faith and sexuality survey that I have mentioned came from Christian households”.—[Official Report, Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, 7 September 2021; c 15.]

I want to make clear something else that was mentioned last week: this is not just about religion. Scotland is a very diverse place, and it is crucial that the legislation reaches everyone from all religions, not just Christianity. No matter what we do, religious barriers exist, and we all know that they are often hidden. Rebecca Crowther mentioned cultural sensitivities, different communities and how we have to reach out to them differently. Paul Daly touched on how the issue affects people in different ways.

With that in mind, do you think that more research and evidence are necessary to support a ban on conversion therapy in Scotland? If so, what type of research is required and why? What about the outreach behind this? On the other hand, should we just press ahead with legislation and deal with any future issues surrounding religion later on, perhaps in secondary legislation? What role do the Parliament and this committee have in educating people? There are three areas there to think about.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Equalities and Human Rights

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

My question is on ethnic minorities in deprived areas. How will the Scottish Government work with those groups that have been disproportionately impacted by the pandemic? How can we help to guide that recovery?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for the definition of conversion therapy. What kind of impact would your proposal have on the support that is provided by religious leaders?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Blair, you mentioned that about 60 per cent of respondents to the survey were from Christian households. Is there a gap in the sense that people from other religions have not come forward? Some people are quite open and they will talk about it, but there are many cultures that do not talk about these things.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Civil Justice

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. If it is okay, I will raise a question from one of my constituents about a remote hearing for a family case. My constituent felt that, because they were not there in person, they were not able to justify or talk about things in the way that they would have been able to if they were. When you are face to face with someone, it is easier to express empathy and you can talk more. They felt that the remote hearing was a barrier in that regard. Has that been communicated to you? Do your findings show that people felt that they could not communicate or did not feel heard?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Civil Justice

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. Minister, you touched on the issue of data. Given the importance of equalities data in measuring and tackling structural inequalities, are there any plans to improve data collection in the civil justice sector?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Blair, for opening up so honestly. Obviously, you had a lot of pressure from your family and certain groups. I want to know about barriers of language and culture. If those are a problem, how do we overcome them? That could involve any religious leaders or backgrounds. I know that you mentioned earlier that you did not see a lot of that, but if it comes up, how can those barriers be tackled?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Government Priorities for Civil Justice

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will follow up the convener’s question. I am the shadow minister for higher education and further education, youth employment and training, so my question is about broadband poverty and how you have accounted for that in holding remote hearings.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 23 June 2021

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have no relevant interests to declare.