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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, and thank you for your opening statements.

Rachael Hamilton can still ask the broad question, because my question does not cover the issue that she was asking about.

As you know, not everyone has access to digital devices, especially in some of the poorest and most deprived areas in Scotland. Given the shift during the pandemic and afterwards to digital technology and services, what is being done to ensure that face-to-face services exist for those who need them? Are people aware of them? Is it easy to access those services?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Convener, can I come back on that after the question on broadband?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will go back to Colin. Earlier, you spoke about the legal aid model being 70 years old and not fit for purpose today. We have so much diversity in Scotland now, and I certainly think鈥攁nd I hear from people who use it鈥攖hat the model is not fit for purpose.

I have a question on language barriers. It would be good to hear from Colin Lancaster, Fiona McPhail and Gillian Fyfe on those. Do you face or see any language barriers to accessing advice or even to accessing the legal aid system today? Obviously, a 70-year-old system is not fit for purpose, given the changes in Scotland.

To go back to Gillian Fyfe, Citizens Advice Scotland is among the largest advice services in Scotland. Do you see any language barriers, Gillian? If not, what is it that you provide that helps people who cannot speak English? I also put that question to Fiona, but Colin can start.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will stay on the subject of domestic abuse. Often, women who are fleeing domestic abuse are temporarily homeless, as has been mentioned today, and are without access to finances. It is sometimes the case that their abusive partner controls the finances.

The third sector is really good at providing a support mechanism for those women, but at times they may be trying to access advice and services in private without their partner knowing. What barriers currently exist in that regard, and how can we remove them to enable the advice system and the courts to help those women more? I am open to any of the witnesses answering that one.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have one more question, which is quite open.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Sorry, Fulton.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Access to Justice

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have another question for Colin as well.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I agree with Rachael and with everything else that has been said. I put on record my thanks to the petitioner as well.

I do not know whether this has been mentioned, but I have made a note that we should write to the office of the public guardian or the Mental Health Welfare Commission for Scotland for information on the number of Makaton users and the level of demand for interpreters. We should also write to the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service and Police Scotland to learn how many requests they have received for the provision of Makaton interpreters. We should do just a little bit more exploring, as everyone else has been saying, while we keep the petition open.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament Equalities and Human Rights Committee

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that response. The motion speaks a lot about ESOL support being available in schools and colleges, but there is not a lot of mention of community learning. You may remember that the last time that we spoke, I was saying that we should be looking at places of worship. I know that mosques, gurdwaras, temples and many other places of worship do a lot with education, especially Sunday school, which could include learning a language such as Punjabi. Should we be reaching out to those communities to help deliver ESOL support as well? Should that be considered, so that we can reach out to those communities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament Equalities and Human Rights Committee

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, Ramiza and Zainab. It is always good to see Fernando again.

The ESOL support motion had overwhelming support from the Scottish Youth Parliament, with around 94 per cent of the members agreeing to the motion. The motion stated that the classes should be made available in every school and college across Scotland. Should there be geographical differences鈥攆or example, between rural and urban areas鈥攊n the roll-out of ESOL support? I will go to Zainab.