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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I am quite happy to ask this next question to the director of councils, if that is okay—or do you want me to ask it here?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning.

I have some questions on recruitment. We have heard that vacancies are high in Scottish councils and that councils fail to recruit workers for one in four jobs. We have now heard from all three panels, including you, that funding is one of the biggest challenges for local government. It leads to cuts in service provision as well as strikes over pay and conditions. We have heard about the lower pay and job uncertainty, and that people are choosing the private sector over local government. What impact is that having on skills shortages and on local government’s ability to deliver on the priorities?

As for people seeing the private sector as more attractive, I know, coming from a BAME background, that if I were an accountant, my parents would be pushing me into the private sector, because of the job security. I worked in local government for around 20 years and I have to say that I loved it. However, I can certainly say that job security is a big thing for people from BAME backgrounds. I am just saying that, because we have been mentioning BAME issues.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Could I ask one more quick question please, convener?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Do you want to comment, Gerry?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thanks, convener, and thank you for that answer, Sean. Scottish councils have failed to recruit workers for one in four jobs overall, and we have heard from all three witnesses that underfunding is the biggest challenge that local government is facing. Funding is being cut to the bone and that is leading to cutbacks in service provision as well as strikes over pay and conditions. It is obviously becoming increasingly difficult to make those jobs look attractive. Are they more unattractive, especially in relation to job security, to people who are looking for jobs? What impact is that having on skills shortages and on local government’s ability to deliver on its priorities?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Does Johanna Baxter want to respond?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Johanna. I absolutely agree with you. The officers were brilliant, to be honest. They were really trying to make good of a difficult situation. It was a public meeting, so that is why I am speaking about it today. It was important that, as an elected member, I stepped in to chair to help. I am just saying that it is sometimes not the council officers’ fault. You are absolutely right that they had to deal with a difficult situation because they did not have that diverse workforce.

Is there anything that Sean Baillie or Linda Somerville would like to add, not about the case but about how we better serve our diverse communities? We have people coming in—refugees and asylum seekers—as well as people who are living here and who were born here, so how do we understand their cultures and how to deliver the right service, so that we do not offend them but help them?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You say that the issue needs to be explored a lot more. Given strikes, underpayment and the conditions of underfunding, how can local government jobs become less unattractive? That question might be for Johanna Baxter. This concerns job security—people want certainty. Given that people know that all this is happening out there, will they apply for a local government job or a private sector job? What is more secure?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Do I have time to ask quick follow-up question?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Okay. I was just saying that because of time. No worries.

In the past, the committee has heard about the disproportionate impact that the overall reduction in local authority personnel has had on council departments, particularly in planning and building standards. Upcoming legislation proposed by the SNP-Green Government, including the new build heat standard and the short-term lets licensing scheme, will undoubtedly lead to an influx of applications to such departments. Are the relevant departments adequately staffed and resourced to deal with an increase in workload without there being any adverse impact on other stakeholders?