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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

I certainly will—scrutiny is the job of all of us so that we get this right.

I wonder if I can just scrutinise the benefits and the understanding of them among the respondents to the consultation. We have heard that the Government’s analysis acknowledges that a large number of criticisms were made in the consultation process, in all formats of submission. Two of the principal reasons that were given were the complexity of the issues and the lack of detail in the proposals. Does the minister accept that people are struggling to engage and to understand the benefits that we have just talked about? I know that the minister has committed to further engagement work, but it is clear that people want to see that detail and to continue that conversation.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, minister. In evidence to the Public Audit Committee, the Auditor General said:

“We know that the social care workforce has been under immense pressure during the pandemic”.

You spoke about that in your opening statement. The Auditor General went on to say:

“indeed, that was the case even before the pandemic ... The Scottish Government now needs to take action to improve working conditions for this vitally important workforce, otherwise it will not be able to deliver its ambitions”

in the longer term

“for social care.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 3 March 2022; c 3.]

The Audit Scotland briefing outlines what those pressures and challenges are, and it is clear that there is an immediate need to resolve some of them.

I am also interested in the exacerbation of those issues by the cost of living crisis. It is very clear that many of these workers—who are very often women and lower-paid workers—are struggling to make ends meet and to be able to do their job because of the rising costs of getting to work between their shifts on public transport or in their car. What is your assessment of what needs to be done immediately to deal with some of that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

I do not think that anyone would deny that the pandemic has exacerbated the pressures. I was just pointing to the fact that the Audit Scotland report says that there was no financial sustainability prior to it. The committee will be keen to hear an update on the progress of the boards to which I referred when we get to the financial year end.

I will ask more broadly about the increase in funding. The Scottish Government committed to a ÂŁ2.5 billion increase in funding for health and social care over the parliamentary session. However, the medium-term framework for health and social care has not yet been updated. In the absence of any medium-term financial framework, how can the cabinet secretary be confident that the additional funds that were committed will be allocated and used effectively? When will the updated medium-term financial framework be published?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

I will continue in that vein. We have seen evidence in the Audit Scotland report that data and planning have not been adequate. That answer suggests that we have to do a lot more to understand and profile where we are.

I return to the cabinet secretary with a question about nursing places and vacancies. There are 6,674.4 whole-time equivalent nursing and midwifery vacancies in the NHS, and we have heard some of the cabinet secretary’s reasons for the challenges in that. Will he also accept that the reduction in the number of nursing training places—a decision that was taken by his predecessor—has exacerbated those challenges?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

I am trying to ask you a question and get the answer.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

The Audit Scotland report states that

“The NHS was not financially sustainable before the Covid-19 pandemic”

and that six boards require additional financial support from the Government or to use non-recurring savings in order to break even. Is the cabinet secretary confident that those boards will be able to achieve financial balance in 2022-23, or is it likely that on-going support will be required? What is his assessment of the issues that are being experienced by the boards? Is it a case of weak financial management, or is a lack of adequate resourcing a more fundamental issue?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

The ÂŁ10 million fund was announced in September of last year, but there was no spending until the beginning of this financial year. Why was that and what is the long-term strategy for funding this crucial work?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

I heard the cabinet secretary’s initial answer to David Torrance’s question on workforce pressures, and his answer about Brexit. When the Auditor General for Scotland gave evidence to the committee, he spoke about historic problems with staffing. He said:

“We know, and have previously reported, that the NHS has, historically, struggled to achieve all its staffing ambitions.”—[Official Report, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, 19 April 2022; c 3.]

Will the cabinet secretary acknowledge that there has been something of a historic failure to deliver a workforce plan, and that there were failures in meeting staffing targets before the pandemic?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tackling Alcohol Harms

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

Thank you; that is useful.

I want to expand on the issue of calorie labelling guidelines, which is a key ask of many third sector and other organisations from which we have taken evidence. What progress is being made on that? There is a sense that progress on trying to get a consensus has been too slow. In your opening remarks, you alluded to the ubiquitous nature of alcohol, and part of that is about advertising. There is an issue about the information that is out there in terms of things such as labelling and standards.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Tackling Alcohol Harms

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, minister. I will ask a wee bit more about the Government’s “Alcohol Framework 2018: Preventing Harm”. There is a lot in it and the committee is keen to hear about progress. I am particularly interested in actions 9 and 15, which require close working with the UK Government, and in the acknowledgement that we need collaboration on those actions. What interactions and meetings have taken place since 2018? We appreciate that there have been two years of pandemic, but it would be good to get a sense of what progress you feel has been made.