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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 December 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I will try to pull together some of our discussions by asking about parity of esteem and how the sector feels about the budget allocations and negotiations.

First, I am particularly interested in what mechanisms we could introduce to provide third sector organisations with more stability. We have touched on three-year funding and the benefit of knowing what is coming. In the context of the demand for your services and the services of other partners in the public sector, what sort of mechanisms, in line with fair funding principles, would you like to be introduced?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

In relation to funding, whether from the Scottish Government or the local authority, do you feel that the pressures as a result of need are being managed? You talked about waiting lists—I assume that those are for voluntary sector services that provide care, support and those sorts of things. Do you feel that that is factored into your budget conversations?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

I was trying to set the scene, because we are interested in how the sector feels about its relationships. Do you feel that you are an equal partner? There is partnership and there is true partnership—some partnerships are perhaps better than others. Is there still a sense in the sector that it is often looked at as the cheaper alternative to public services? We have certainly heard that people feel that way.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Can I bring Ran Majumder in to give us the urban context? Shetland is a helpful example of where things are working well and where the challenges are. Ran, do you see some of the same things in the Edinburgh context?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

You have pre-empted my next question, which you might have heard me ask earlier, on parity of esteem and ensuring that this is not about the voluntary sector doing something more cheaply than the public sector. Euan Leitch talked about being asked to do more and more with less, and we have heard from SCVO and others—as well as from Rachel Cackett—that many organisations are at their lowest ebb. What else can be done to start to repair the relationship? Whatever happens, there has to be a kind of reset moment—although I feel that we have had lots of “reset” moments over the years. Is there one thing that could be done immediately that would start to really change the conversation and the approach?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

I think that Allan Faulds wants to comment.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

The challenge of being the last questioner is that we have covered a lot of ground. However, it is important to pull together some of what we have heard this morning.

In our conversation, we have focused on multiyear funding, as is right—it is at the core of the discussion. However, fair funding principles go beyond that, and a number of different things need to happen in order to move the issue forward. Witnesses might want to touch on anything that we have not covered on relationships or structures. We have heard about parity of esteem. What sorts of things need to be not just put forward but implemented and sustained in order to really help to renew that relationship?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Some of the evidence that we heard when we met organisations over the summer was about the challenge between innovating and trying to sustain something that works. They said that, very often, people get stuck in a cycle between things having to be new and things that have been proved to work. You touched on that. Do you recognise it?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. One aspect of the bill that the committee is interested in and concerned about is the domestic abuse provisions. We want to ensure that they are being engaged with. I note that, in the summer engagement, you met the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations and the Chartered Institute of Housing to discuss those provisions. Will you give an update on those conversations? Do you feel that the discussions were productive in enabling understanding of the required training and the capacity of social landlords to take the action that they will need to take?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Paul O'Kane

Thank you for that answer. I make a similar point to Mr Stewart’s point about not reinventing the wheel. A lot of good practice already exists, and many RSLs have good policy. However, the challenge is often to ensure that those policies can be put into practice and that action can follow, which is what everyone wants to see in such scenarios. The responses of Scottish Women’s Aid and the Scottish Women’s Convention pointed to the fact that the actions that were outlined and the recommendations that were contained in the report, “Improving housing outcomes for women and children experiencing domestic abuse” still have to be pushed forward and not lost in this context. Will the minister say something about progress on that and engagement with that piece of work?