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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Katy Clark

I do not know whether Wendy Sinclair-Gieben might wish to comment on that. Is that something that you have considered?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Katy Clark

Prison is obviously a very expensive option. I fully understand that some people have to be there, and you have outlined some of them, but the committee is concerned about those individuals who could be dealt with in another鈥攁nd likely cheaper鈥攚ay. Psychiatric services, for example, might be a cheaper option. Is that something that your organisation is concerned about? Is the way in which we deal with individuals who go through the justice system a false economy?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Katy Clark

Does any of the other witnesses want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Katy Clark

You will be aware of a huge amount of concern over many decades about the numbers of women whom we incarcerate in Scotland. The proposals are quite arbitrary, and they will affect a number of women prisoners鈥攖he cohort concerned is pretty arbitrary, however.

More broadly, from your experience, what would you say is the proportion of women in custody who you think really have to be there and who should not be dealt with in another way? If you prefer, could you say what proportion of women you feel would be better dealt with in a non-custodial way? I appreciate that, as you have said, you are dealing with some very difficult people, and I am not in any way underestimating the complexity of the issues, but is prison the right place for some of those women?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Katy Clark

If you were to focus on initiatives that you think are more targeted at poverty, is the Scottish child payment an example of the kind of approach鈥攁 direct payment鈥攖hat is more effective?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Katy Clark

The cost of the Scottish child payment is forecast to rise from 拢457 million to 拢492 million. Jack Evans has spoken about the need for prioritisation. Do the witnesses think that the Scottish child payment justifies its cost? The witnesses we have heard from in previous evidence sessions have very much been of the view that it does. Do you think that, across the range of policies that are intended to address poverty, money is better put into increasing the Scottish child payment or perhaps into another initiative such as childcare, employability or the raft of anti-poverty initiatives that may be possible?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Katy Clark

I am looking for advice.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Child Payment

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Katy Clark

As you said earlier, it is a question of prioritisation. If the choice were between putting more money into the Scottish child payment and putting it into targeted childcare and other initiatives, where would you tend to fall?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Katy Clark

I will pick up on the issue of lists and vetting, which, as you know, cabinet secretary, has been a massive issue in recent times. That issue might not necessarily be dealt with in the bill before us, but perhaps you could provide an update on the implementation of the recommendations from HM Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland.

As you know, HMICS has advised the committee that it thinks that the chief constable should be provided with the power of dismissal in cases where a person cannot retain their vetting status. Indeed, Lady Elish Angiolini also advised that there should be a power of summary dismissal in some cases.

Given the massive nature of some of the issues that have been coming forward recently, what consideration have you given as to whether the legislative framework around vetting is strong enough, and what more could be done to ensure that there is an on-going focus on vetting as we move forward?

I appreciate that there may be one-off reviews, but we want that focus to be embedded. Are you actively considering that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Katy Clark

So there is work on-going.

More generally, with regard to the bill before us and the models that the Scottish Government is taking forward, one witness told the committee that an independent complaints process

鈥渨ould be the gold standard.鈥濃擺Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 8 May 2024; c 18.]

Witnesses have made it clear not only that there needs to be public confidence in the complaints process, but that the police cannot police themselves.

What are your views on the role of Police Scotland鈥檚 professional standards department in continuing to internally assess and categorise, and investigate, complaints? More generally, is there scope for more independence in the current system in Scotland? What have your considerations been in that regard?