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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

The evidence we have heard is extremely alarming. Unfortunately, I think that most members are already aware of many of these issues, largely due to the lobbying that has been done, particularly by the FBU, which has done a huge amount of work in this Parliament on the issue. It has, in particular, brought to parliamentarians’ attention the risks of the toxins that firefighters are exposed to.

It seems absolutely clear to me that the fire service is in breach of its duty of care to firefighters and, from the evidence that we have heard today, it is the exception that adequate decontamination facilities are available. The evidence about Inverness is interesting, because I think that most committee members will have been to fire stations and seen the poor decontamination facilities that are available. It is also alarming that, when you speak to firefighters, they will tell you that they look to the FBU guidance and that we still are not in the position of having proper and thorough guidance available. As a result, simple steps might not be taken by every firefighter.

In other situations, we would be closing down such facilities if they did not meet the minimum requirement. It cannot be acceptable to have perhaps dozens of firefighters relying on one shower after an incident. Have you given any thought to emergency responses that can be made to bring in other resources, perhaps not in fire stations that are built, to ensure that, when there are incidents, firefighters have adequate decontamination and that they are not having to rely on baby wipes? How can we as a society respond to ensure that, until we get adequate facilities, firefighters are still able to decontaminate?

I will ask Colin Brown to come in first.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

Do the other witnesses want to respond?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

I want to pick up on the additional £3.2 million for kit that you referred to. Over the past year, firefighters at a number of stations have told me that, basically, they have to put contaminated kit on again. Will that additional resource ensure that firefighters have access to clean kit, which I understand has, historically, not been the case? Is that correct? Is it the case that they will have access to clean kit? Is that in place now?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

So, in your view, the £3.2 million is adequate to ensure that we should be in a position in which access to clean kit will no longer be an issue. Is that what you are saying?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

I understand.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

In the previous session, we heard about the refurbishment work that was carried out in Inverness. I want to ask about decontamination. We were told that the station in Inverness is considered to be decontamination compliant. What percentage of the estate is not currently compliant? How many facilities or stations are we talking about?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Katy Clark

Has that guidance been circulated to firefighters or is it still with the working group?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 June 2024

Katy Clark

Would you be happy to write to the committee on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 June 2024

Katy Clark

Some of the main concerns that we have heard about include resourcing the proposals to ensure successful implementation and the lack of clarity in the financial memorandum, which you have referred to a number of times. The Association of Local Authority Chief Housing Officers said:

“it does not build confidence and certainty in terms of people’s ability to develop and design services”—[Official Report, Social Justice and Social Security Committee, 13 June 2024; c 16.],

while Shelter said that the financial memorandum was “not credible”. How do you respond to those concerns? Can you also indicate when you will amend the financial memorandum, as I presume you plan to do? Indeed, I know that there has already been a letter about that from the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Are you concerned that implementation will be delayed due to the funding issues? As we know, an issue with many pieces of Scottish Government legislation is that they do not get implemented for a considerable period. Will that be an issue here, too?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 June 2024

Katy Clark

I want to come back on the issue of the implementation of the Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021, which is required in order to do many of the things that we have been discussing. I appreciate and fully understand that another minister is involved in that, but it is quite clear that it is a problem. Scottish Women’s Aid raised that with us in its evidence. We had understood from a parliamentary question that was lodged in late 2023 that the provisions in the act would be implemented in early 2024, but a Scottish Parliament information centre update in March said that a revised timetable is being developed with the aim of bringing the provisions into force by the end of 2024 or early 2025. Could the minister look into that? In order to do many of the things that we have been speaking about, we need the provisions in the 2021 act to be in force. Could you take that up?