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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

Emma Forbes, you referred to 46 prosecutions. Is that correct? Would you perhaps clarify exactly what that number refers to?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

What was the nature of those charges?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

I am grateful for that clarification. I was going to ask you about that legislation, because this bill provides for the repeal of the offences that are set out in that section of the 1982 act, which criminalises street prostitution.

You have given us an indication of the number of charges that have been brought. Can you say a little bit more about the use of that offence in recent years and whether you support its repeal?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

Alasdair, you used the word “curiosity”. I am interested in understanding a little more about how the authority identifies issues of concern. We know that there has been a reduction in public confidence, which has been referred to; we have had very serious allegations about sexism and misogyny; the Sheku Bayoh inquiry has been going on for a lengthy period; there are clear allegations about racism in the police force; and we also have concerns about the policing of some protests, such as those by Palestine Action.

How do you and your organisation identify issues of concern? You have spoken about the matter in quite a managerial way, but I am trying to understand how you work to drive the changes that you identify as being required in the police, given some of the concerns that the public have raised.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

I will pick up on some of the points that have just been made. Chief Constable Farrell, I hear clearly what you are saying, particularly in relation to the increased threats. However, over many decades, we have seen a shift in policing, and the constant complaint of people and communities that elected politicians hear—and have heard over many decades, because this is not new—is that, increasingly, when someone calls the police when there has been an incident, they do not come and that there are fewer police around.

There used to be police in communities, including in small towns—there was visible policing—and there has been a move away from that over a long time. That has been a deliberate policy; a decision has been made that that is not the best use of policing resources. I have had that justified to me by people from the police on many occasions over many years. They have told me that there is a need to centralise resource into some of the priorities that you have highlighted, such as counterterrorism work and work to tackle organised crime and cybercrime.

There is absolutely no doubt that there has been some success in that regard. You have also spoken about the number of organised crime offenders who are in prison, which is another example of some of that success. There have also been many successes related to the work at Gartcosh, for example. However, the cost for local people and communities is that, when they phone the police—in justifiable circumstances, about a crime—they are not getting the service that they believe that they are entitled to, that many other people believe they are entitled to and that, I have no doubt, you would wish people to be entitled to.

Part of the ask that you have come to the committee with today is for community police officers, so can you say more about what you mean by “community police officer”? If we were able to persuade the Scottish Government to agree to your request, would that mean more visible policing in communities and that, when there was an incident, it would be more likely that the police would be available to provide that service? Will you expand on that? If you want, you can also talk about some of the pressures that you face, but I ask you to comment on how we drive resources so that there is a better service in communities.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

What is your organisation’s assessment of the scale of the challenge and how bad it is? It would be helpful for the committee to know that.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

We are straying from the central issue about whether it should be a pardon or quashing, but I understand the point that you have made. Do any of the other witnesses want to make any points on quashing convictions or a pardon?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

There are currently a range of offences that deal with issues such as human trafficking and the running of brothels, which the bill does not seek to change. Is there a need to strengthen or otherwise reform other offences that are relevant to prostitution?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

That is helpful. Do any of the other witnesses have a view on whether the offences in the 1982 act should be repealed?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Katy Clark

That is helpful.

The bill seeks to quash existing convictions. I know that Emma Forbes has concerns about that, and one alternative that has been suggested is that people who have been convicted should be pardoned. What are your views on the quashing of existing convictions and the alternative of a pardon?

I will go to Dr Forbes to start, given that she has already expressed a view.