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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

So, is it safe to say that there are no plans to roll it out further, at this stage?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

This question is also for DCC Connors. It has been reported the cost of operation Branchform to Police Scotland has now exceeded ÂŁ800,000. I know that we cannot and should not talk about the investigation, but can you provide us with an update on the cost and indicate whether it is expected to rise further?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

Okay. My next question is for David Page and/or James Gray. In its submission, the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents referred to Police Scotland having a problem with reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete. We have already heard from Ross Haggart that the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service has similar problems, with 14 stations identified and a cost of about ÂŁ70 million to fix the issue.

I see no reference to that issue in Police Scotland’s submission. If it has been identified as a problem, what is the extent of it in terms of numbers of premises, and can you give an idea of the cost to fix it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

My next question is for Mr McGowan. Something on page 16 of the Crown’s submission, in respect of civil recovery, caught my eye. It says that the civil recovery unit

“has recovered over £20 million in cash and assets”

from criminals since 2003. Is that number accurate? It seems quite low.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

I suppose that there is an expectation from some families that fatal accident inquiries will take place and that the Crown has to consider those on a case-by-case basis.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

It is not an FAI or nothing; there are lots of—

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

Given that that is 20 years’ worth of cash and assets from organised crime, it does not seem to be very much at all. That would be helpful.

There was a notable absence in the submission of any reference to the scandal of the malicious prosecutions of people involved in the Rangers takeover. The most recent publicly available figure for the cost to the taxpayer is £57.4 million, with £5.7 million of that being for legal fees. I understand that the compensation payments included an undertaking by the Crown to meet any future tax liabilities, if those arose. Have any tax liabilities been met by the Crown or by the Scottish Government in recent months? Have the figures risen since they were published? What cost implications might the imminent inquiry have for the Crown’s budget?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

I have a very quick question about the increasing number of fatal accident inquiries. The relevant page in the submission is page 15, which says that 39 hearings are scheduled. Those are brand-new hearings for 2023. How many more hearings might be described as “works in progress”?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Russell Findlay

That is great, thank you.

On policing costs more generally, the submission from Police Scotland and the Scottish Police Authority talks about “hard choices” needing to be made and says that the revenue budget

“does not allow the organisation to maintain the workforce at the levels of previous years”.

In your opening statement, I think you said that the most recently identified number of police officers was around 16,600. Can you tell us what that number is just now and the best projection of where we might end up, based on the proposed budget?

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