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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

Yes. I just want to declare an interest more fully than I did initially. I have known Bill Johnstone for many years, and I wrote a book about his case, which is titled “Fitted Up: A True Story of Police Betrayal, Conspiracy and Cover Up”. I think that it is proper that I let other members ask the majority of the questions, and I might come in after that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

I am struck by the fact that the tactics that you experienced and that you recognised in respect of what Stephanie Bonner went through have been replicated—the same tactics in respect of a grieving mother and a former British Army intelligence officer. That is quite something.

I think that my question is, helpfully, a yes-or-no question—one I have never asked you before. Nine years ago, you discovered that you had been wrongly, and potentially criminally, assigned a criminal record by way of alias. Police Scotland has not told you, at any point, how that happened. Yes or no—do you think that it will ever disclose that to you?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

A lot of our focus is on the police, but we can sometimes overlook the role of the Crown Office in much of policing work in Scotland; they very often work hand in glove. In your case, by virtue of speaking to Dame Elish Angiolini, you were directed towards making a direct complaint to the criminal allegations against the police division of the Crown Office. You also referenced attempting to have your complaint heard by the PIRC, but your concern is that Police Scotland was in a position to cherry pick—that was the phrase that you used—what it would disclose of your allegations.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

So, a protocol whereby the complainer absolutely has to be fully apprised of what their complaint constitutes is required, and there should be no slight softening of things or removal of issues.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

So, part of the reason is to protect the reputation of the organisation, and, as we have heard from Bill Johnstone, there is also an element of individual protection.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

Bill Johnstone and other witnesses have said that, at the outset, every complaint should be looked at by some independent entity. There are huge cost implications to that. We have already heard concerns about the cost of the bill perhaps being much greater than the financial memorandum states. Would you agree that, at the outset, every complaint would need to go through an independent body or some kind of sifting process?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

Right.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

That is why you are here.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

That was an absolute catch-22 situation.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Russell Findlay

You have nowhere to turn at the end of the day.