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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Section 10 of the bill allows police officers acting as members of the public to go to the PIRC, which is, again, something that you support.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Is there any likely movement on the bill in that respect?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I should perhaps know this, or perhaps it was not asked of the police witnesses yesterday, but do the police support that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Section 6 covers the ability to continue gross misconduct proceedings after someone has left the service. You are supportive of that. However, there is significant opposition to that from the representative bodies, which might be expected. Having presumably been aware of their evidence, can you address that and explain why, on balance, you think that that is the right thing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

So that might be a useful amendment, potentially.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I have a final quick question if that is okay. In your supplementary submission to the committee, you support a move for the chief constable to be empowered to dismiss officers without a long drawn-out process. You also suggest that the Scottish Government is giving that consideration. Are you in communication with it about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

So, watch this space.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I wonder whether there is a belt-and-braces argument for it, as there is with your proposal about whistleblowers being able to go to the PIRC and the SPA. It would provide that option.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The PIRC has said that it does not have the resources or the personnel for other proposals in the bill, so that is consistent with what you have said.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

One of the reasons I ask is that one of the unions that represents non-police-officer staff says that the duty would potentially come with pay demands. Would that be a factor in reconsidering it?