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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

But we have record prisoner numbers.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

I am conscious of the time.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

I am not clear on the answer about what I have suggested. Is that the case?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

We have so little time and I have a lot more questions. The answers are not good enough. Why cannot you just admit that that will happen?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

We have heard a lot about how this will be administered, but my question is about how we have reached this particular point. The Scottish Government has often said that far too many people are in prison, but I will read something that was said to us last week by His Majesty鈥檚 chief inspector of prisons. She said:

鈥淲e would have to invest in genuinely robust community alternatives that satisfy the public and also satisfy the sheriffs, and those do not currently exist.鈥濃擺Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 5 June 2024; c 34.]

That seems extraordinary, so my question for the cabinet secretary is why, after 17 years of this Government, those community sentences that will satisfy the public and sheriffs have not been created.

We have also not touched on the issue of the prisons that have not been built and are now overdue. Because of those two factors, there is a risk that the mass early release that we are experiencing now might become a new normal.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

Right鈥擨 will give way, then.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

Absolutely.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

We heard some quite stirring closing remarks from the cabinet secretary about the need to invest in alternatives to custody. That has not been happening for 17 years, which is why we are at a crisis point. Can Pauline McNeill understand why that has happened?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Russell Findlay

I remind the cabinet secretary that I wrote to her to suggest that she come to committee in respect of the prison crisis.