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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Russell Findlay

Last September, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans told the Criminal Justice Committee:

“Prison governors in England and Wales have stated that it is not possible to have a drug-free prison. I would like to test that to see to what extent it can be achieved.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 1 September 2021; c 36.]

Is that realistic?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Russell Findlay

Hello, Mr Strang. Your predecessor, Professor Catriona Matheson, and her deputy, Neil Richardson, both quit, saying that the Scottish Government’s strategy was “counterproductive”. Have you had any contact with either of them, have you evaluated their concerns and, if so, what are your views on those concerns?

10:15  

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Russell Findlay

Do I have time to ask one more quick question?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Russell Findlay

Yesterday, Kit Malthouse spoke passionately about the need to support people with drug problems and the vital role of the criminal justice system. For example, he spoke about a “ring of steel” being put around the community of Blackpool, as part of the addiction, diversion, disruption, enforcement and recovery—ADDER—project. Every day, Police Scotland and the National Crime Agency work hard to target the organised crime gangs that make so much money from killing people in Scotland with their products.

Do you agree that it is not a question of one or the other, and will you give a commitment to Scottish communities that they will enjoy robust policing and the targeting of people who deal drugs?

11:30  

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Russell Findlay

A lot has been said about drug consumption rooms—[Inaudible.]—questions that have—[Inaudible.]—from those who zealously want such rooms to be rolled out, presumably in every Scottish town and city. It is worth repeating what Police Scotland’s chief constable said, which was that he would need “stronger evidence” before he could support that approach.

Should there not be greater emphasis on helping drug users to rehabilitate, rather than on encouraging drug taking? Is there a slight risk that, in focusing on that contentious issue, we are distracting from the Scottish National Party’s record? The SNP has presided over a doubling of drugs deaths in Scotland since 2008, and Scotland has now become the drug deaths capital of Europe.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Russell Findlay

Good afternoon, Mr Malthouse and Mr Starling.

Scotland’s drug deaths crisis is—quite rightly—being treated as a matter of public health, but I wonder whether we sometimes lose sight of the fact that highly dangerous gangs make a lot of money from killing so many people. Can you explain your thinking on that aspect?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Russell Findlay

Thank you. I do not think that I can have any more time.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Russell Findlay

No, that is fine.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Russell Findlay

In your opening statement, you talked about the importance of joint efforts and working together, and yet the Scottish Government has rejected an offer to extend ADDER into Scotland. Can you quantify, in any way, the possible detriment as a result of that decision? Alternatively, do you think that, as the National Crime Agency operates—thankfully—at a UK level, we continue to see those benefits?

Criminal Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 January 2022

Russell Findlay

I suppose that I need to declare a bit of an interest, in that I wrote the first press story about the petition when it was lodged in 2012. As a journalist, I came into regular contact with the petitioner, Peter Cherbi, and continued to report on the petition for many years. Remarkably, despite the best efforts of the judiciary, the petition is now almost 10 years old, which must be a record and perhaps says something about parliamentary committees, although I am not sure what.

I agree entirely that we need to see exactly what the Scottish National Party Government is proposing. I was surprised to see the commitment in the SNP manifesto—I found that interesting, because Nicola Sturgeon and successive justice secretaries have long been opposed to the idea in principle.

Although plenty has been said about the subject, and plenty more will be said about it, we should not lose sight of the fundamental issue of transparency and accountability—it is absolutely not about political meddling in judicial independence. I think that the reason why the petition has almost reached its 10th birthday is that many łÉČËżěĘÖ, across the parties—some of whom are no longer in the Parliament—understood the principle. That is perhaps why the petition is still live, as frustrating as it is that something that seems to be generally agreed has not meaningfully progressed. Let us just see what will be brought forward.