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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

It is kind of connected to that, but I have a couple of questions, so you might want to bring others in first, convener.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

It was £4 million initially?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

But approximately—

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

This might sound a bit left field, but I note from the photograph of it that the appliance has a blue and white saltire on the front of it. If you were in a vehicle and it was coming up behind you, it would look more like a haulage vehicle than a fire engine.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

You said that it was 660 grand for a fire engine. How much would a normal one cost?

Criminal Justice Committee

Correspondence

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Yes, to Addiewell and Kilmarnock.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

You have said that you cannot speak for the chief constable, but a lot of what is in your submission and what you have said to the committee will affect him and his officers. Is not it important that we hear from him directly?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Frankly, a lot of what we have heard and what you have said so far is terrifying, and I really appreciate your candour. It is necessary, but it cannot be easy to be so forthright with some of this stuff.

I have two separate questions, the first of which relates to body cameras. I suppose that they are an example of equipment issues and how the proposed budget will affect things.

In your opening statement, you said that body cameras have been rolled out pretty much universally in England and Wales and that, in fact, second-generation body cameras are now being used there. Despite the fact that the security guards in any supermarket will have body cameras, Police Scotland has only around 500 such devices, most of which are with armed officers. The level of provision seems pretty basic.

Given that we now face really serious financial pressures, is there not an element of your not having fixed the roof when the sun was shining? Is there not a sense that a huge opportunity has been missed and that someone somewhere should have prioritised the provision of body cameras or found the money to make that happen?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

More generally, you also mentioned that 23 scenarios have been modelled, which sounds like the equivalent of wandering through a smoke-filled room. I presume that those go from one extreme to the other, and include everything in between. Do they include worst-case scenario things such as ending the policy on no compulsory redundancies, or is that off the table?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Russell Findlay

Is that particular policy set in stone as far as the service is concerned?