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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It is Liam first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning to the witnesses. Thank you for the information that you submitted in advance. I found it really helpful, as were the comments that you have made.

I will pick up on a couple of things that have been said. I do not know whether any of you followed the earlier panel’s evidence, but one of the questions that I asked Fiona Robertson was about the history paper. I have a question based on what I just heard from Stuart Hunter and Graham Hutton.

The approach that the SQA has taken to addressing some of the concerns that have come out of the history paper is to hold an independent review, using teachers who are markers to independently review the marking. Stuart Hunter, is that appropriate and does it demonstrate a change in approach?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I put on record my apologies to the convener, other committee members and the panel for my slightly late arrival this morning. I was stuck in traffic. I am really sorry for any disruption that that might have caused.

On the point about confidence, I want to share a few aspects of the evidence that we received, which I am sure you will have read. After that, my question will be for Fiona Robertson.

In its submission, the EIS said:

“The actions of the SQA have inflicted significant damage upon its relationship with the profession, which now largely views the organisation with cynicism and suspicion.”

The Scottish Secondary Teachers Association has said that the SQA is “adrift” from teachers, and School Leaders Scotland has said:

“We ... question why the Chair of the SQA will automatically become the Chair of Qualifications Scotland”,

because

“those involved cannot transfer lock-stock and barrel to the new body”.

Given that, and given what you have just said, do you accept that public and teacher confidence in the organisation is not what it should be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you mean confidence in the history paper in particular or in general?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I refer members of the panel and the committee to the declaration of interests that I made at the start of this meeting, in which I said that Barry Black has carried out some policy development work for me—as he has indicated on his submission for today’s meeting. I will direct my questions to Professor Donaldson and Professor Priestley.

The conversation that we just had about culture and structure touched on changes happening without the front line knowing. I want to pick up on something in your evidence, Professor Priestley, where you note that not separating the award and regulation functions of the SQA is a mistake. You cite the higher history paper example, which we know caused significant concern among pupils and teachers. Is the bill sufficient to protect against such issues happening again? If not, what would you change?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate your answer, which is helpful with regards to the SQA point as well. We have heard points from Professor Muir, you and others around structure and culture. Is there anything missing from the bill that could change the culture?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. I want to declare an interest with regard to today’s evidence taking, particularly the second panel, when we will hear from Barry Black. As he has noted in his submission, which has been given in advance, Barry has carried out policy development work for me. As such, I will not be directing any questions towards him this morning. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, Professor Muir. Thank you for the information that you submitted in advance and for the answers that you have given so far.

I want to ask about the issues of structural change and cultural change. A number of respondents to the committee have suggested that there is too much focus in the bill on structural change and insufficient focus on cultural change. In your report, you talk about the shift in mindset and culture that is required. What is your response to that? Could you elaborate on what you think needs to be done to address the cultural change that is needed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have one final question. Is there anything missing from the bill?