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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

No, unless David Donaldson or anyone else has anything to add. I think that Davie wants to comment. Sorry, Davie鈥擨 have been calling you David. That might be your Sunday name.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thanks. They are on the same area.

Suzanne, do you have any information from the people that you represent about likely increases in tariffs, particularly where the local authority is the provider or the account holder? Can anything be done to mitigate the impact of that being passed on, while recognising the costs that the local authority will have?

My other question is slightly broader, but it is still on the cost of living. What can we do to make sure that Social Security Scotland can provide the best possible service to the Gypsy Traveller community? We have heard from most of the panel about the need to make sure that there is training and engagement with the community and an understanding of the interconnected aspects. That also relates to the point about a cashless society.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes鈥攊t is around access to justice and representation. Members might know that I have been meeting members of the Gypsy Traveller community who were affected by the programme to integrate Gypsy Travellers into mainstream society that took place between 1940 and 1980, which was ultimately badly designed.

We know that the impacts of that programme on the people involved were widespread. Post-traumatic stress disorder, long-term depression and the effects of long-term ostracisation are some of the things that they have highlighted. Despite that, the community, as it has highlighted for a number of years, is still looking for an apology and redress. I am keen to hear from Davie Donaldson and Lynne Tammi about that. Do you feel that an apology and redress would be helpful? What impact could that have on access to justice for Gypsy Travellers? Also, do you feel that people are empowered in that community to enjoy the human rights that they have and to hold people to account for them?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the witnesses for joining us today and for the helpful answers that they have given so far.

I want to extend part of the conversation that we have just had and talk about the cost of living. Specifically, I am keen to know about lived experience of fuel poverty. Are the needs of the communities that you represent sufficiently addressed in Scotland鈥檚 fuel poverty strategy and the action plan? Does further work need to be done, given the upcoming increase to the price cap and the expected increase in energy prices? I am also keen to hear a bit more about the impact of a cashless society, which David Donaldson mentioned.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will start with David, because I am quite intrigued by the concept of a cashless society and how we can address the related issues and support people through the cost of living crisis.

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning to the panel. Thank you for the information that you gave us in advance, which was very helpful, and thank you for your answers so far.

I have a couple of questions on risk and demand in the social security system. My first one is probably for Emma Congreve. In your submission, you note that the Scottish Government has a policy to increase take-up in benefits. Is it clear from the framework and other documents how it would increase uptake and what the costs and the implications would be?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It will be short. Thanks; that is helpful.

It is noted that there is not much information about how the social security system can address demand, and in the context that you have just set out, prevention and the way it interacts with other services seems to be important. Can you briefly set out why it is important, what the implications are and what you would expect to see?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Has the minister considered any other ways or mechanisms to apply the equivalence of the 6 per cent uprate to disabled people in Scotland or carers who receive carers allowance in Scotland? Have you looked at any other mechanisms that could be used to get that money into people鈥檚 pockets?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for allowing me to ask a question, convener鈥擨 know that I said in advance that I might not have one. I have two questions, if that is okay.

Obviously, we face a considerable cost of living crisis right now, and I believe that the measures are well meaning and the right thing to do. To use a phrase that the IFS witness used earlier, the measures are well meaning but not well designed, given the way that you have done it. I worry slightly that the papers that the committee got last Thursday suggested that you were going to replicate the rates and in some areas were not going to uprate at all. What has changed between last Thursday and today to take you to the decision that you have made? I do not think that it is the wrong decision, but I am keen to know that we are taking decisions properly with robust information and in a considered fashion.

My next question is on the benefits that are still being delivered under agency agreement and that we are being asked to uprate today with CPI, which is 3.1 per cent. I guess that this is not so much a question and more of a statement, but I just want to put it on the record, because it is another frustration of mine. We could have been doing something a bit differently had we been delivering those benefits fully in Scotland. What you intend to do on 31 March in other areas shows what we could have been doing for disabled people and carers if we had not still been using agency agreements.