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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Displaying 2015 contributions

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for the evidence that you submitted in advance of the meeting, and for what you have said so far. I also thank you for the work that you have done in the past year, and previously, for the people whom you represent. I acknowledge the significant effort that has gone into your work for LGBT people over the years.

My first question was going to be about the case for change, but you have addressed much of that in setting out your stall, as it were. However, one question remains in that area. Could you tell us a bit more about the hidden costs of applying for a gender recognition certificate?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. Thank you for the information that you provided in advance and for answering our questions today. I want to ask about the change in your view before I move on to the interactions between the GRA and the Equality Act 2010.

Have you explained your change in position to trans people? Can you set out the legal considerations that you used in doing that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes—thank you. Would it be okay to ask about international evidence on this issue, convener?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is really helpful.

I will move on to a question about procedures. The submissions from Stonewall and the Equality Network note concerns that section 8U(1)(c) allows for the registrar general, by regulations, to make provision for or about

“information or evidence to be included in an application”.

Could you tell us more about your concern? Should that provision be in primary legislation? I find it odd that it is to be in regulations. What should we do about that concern?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, panel. Thank you for all the evidence that you have provided so far this morning and the information that you shared in advance of the meeting. As I said to the other panel, a lot of what we are hearing is just horrific and I cannot imagine what it is like to have to deliver these services and, indeed, to experience the sort of direct experiences that you have described. It is just horrific.

I have a couple of questions that bring together themes 1 and 3, and I will direct them at Mental Health UK and VOX Scotland. We know—and much of the evidence that we have received acknowledges—that mental health issues and debt issues are related. You have touched on some of this already, but what does that mean for the delivery of services? How can we break the link between mental health issues and debt, and what specific actions can the Government in Scotland take to identify people who will need that additional support?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If it is okay, I would like to direct those questions to Zahra Hussain and Wendy McAuslan.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

We have had evidence that around 60,000 people got into debt for the first time during the pandemic; what does that tell us about the picture of poverty in Scotland, and what does that mean for how services are delivered and for solutions to the issue? In your submission, you call for a more joined-up data sharing scheme for support services and affordable credit. Could you explain a bit about what happens now and what a more joined-up scheme would look like? Finally, people do not have enough money to pay for essentials. As has already been said, even bankruptcy is a temporary solution. What specific action could we take in Scotland on that and to address the cost of living crisis?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What could we do with the powers that we currently have in Scotland to make the situation better?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am keen to ask about the current landscape of services. I will direct my questions to SAMH and the Money and Mental Health Policy Institute. What is your understanding of the funding environment in which those organisations are working? Has that environment had an impact on their ability to provide mental health and debt support? That also relates to debt advisers’ role in providing mental health support; it works both ways.

As you know, the breathing space mechanism in England is slightly different from our moratorium. Could we and should we extend the moratorium in Scotland to ensure that creditors do not contact people at all and that it lasts for a longer period—for as long as someone is experiencing crisis?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Convener, in the interests of time, I will roll in one of my other questions, as it would sit more appropriately in this theme.