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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It has been quite the session, and I appreciate the length of time that the witnesses have been here. It has been broad ranging.

I am concerned about a number of the things that you have raised—particularly, Dr Coleman, the experiences that you have shared about what has happened in prisons. However, I am interested to note that those have happened within the current gender recognition certificate process and that people have still been able to be bad actors within that system—which is, of course, unacceptable.

I also note that we have heard a lot about puberty blockers and data on healthcare. I share my colleague Rachael Hamilton’s concerns on data in healthcare—in all healthcare; if we were a nation that properly delivered healthcare on the basis of data, we would all be in a very different circumstance. There is a lot to do on that.

However, I struggle a wee bit to see how that relates directly to the bill that is in front of us. Lucy Hunter Blackburn, I come back to the point that you made earlier, which was excellently put: we have to focus on the bill that is in front of us. The examples in prisons and the examples of puberty blockers are part of a discussion but are probably not directly related to the bill in front of us. I therefore want to move on to talk about bits of the bill itself.

My first question is on the time period. Lucy, you have suggested that there is perhaps a way to change to a single six-month period from application to issue, and that that could help with data collection. I am keen to hear how.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I understand that, but I am trying to get to the point where we can do our job as legislators, which is to make sure that the bill is the best possible piece of legislation that it can be to provide trans people with validation, destigmatisation and so on, as you said earlier. Therefore, we need to be really specific. At what point, now, do gender recognition certificates come in? Do people have to provide them in order to use toilets, changing rooms and single-sex spaces?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

So it is not the law that is in front of us—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It is interesting to hear where the evidence about the balance of harm lies.

How have other countries dealt with some of the issues that we have heard about regarding single-sex spaces? I have a specific question for Sandy Brindley that I will come to in a moment, but how have other countries struck a balance and dealt with the conflict that people have put to us?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Forgive me, convener. I am slightly confused because, on one hand, Malcolm Clark in particular seems to be saying that it is important for young people to have medical input and therapy, but on the other hand, you feel a bit concerned about pushing people towards medical intervention. Which is it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have to say that I think that there should be more support. However, on Lucy Hunter Blackburn’s point, and considering what is in the bill specifically, which part of the bill erases gender dysphoria?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a follow-up question. Who are the people whom you are really worried about? Will you share examples that you have seen from international evidence? I know that you have collected a lot of that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The reason for my asking is that it is only such evidence that demonstrates the experience of self-declaration.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Please help me to understand. Have we not already, in the 2004 act, identified who would be protected under that section? Have we not also set out, in that act, what the effect of having a GRC would be? Which parts of the new act would change those aspects?