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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, that is very helpful. If no one else has any further points on that, I have one last question.

In your submissions, you commented on parts of the bill affecting reassignment surgery or irreversible interventions. Can you tell us a bit more about what you mean by that and how you came to those conclusions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you believe that that will predominantly be trans people?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What is your understanding of how trans people access single-sex spaces such as toilets or changing rooms now?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have one more question, convener.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It is a completely different question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a question for Sandy Brindley. How does your service provide support to the women who come to you? How do you protect single-sex spaces and would having a gender recognition certificate be material to that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I had a follow-up question on the legal position. I note that Jen Ang said she is a lawyer, and I heard my colleague Rachael Hamilton getting to the nub of the Cass review and whether we should hear from Hilary Cass. What in the bill would relate to the Cass review? Why would having a gender recognition certificate lead to a process of medical transition, which is what the Cass review alludes to? Are you aware of any circumstances in which a gender recognition certificate has been used significantly in that process?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the witnesses for their contributions so far.

I have a small supplementary on what was said earlier about the decoupling of law and diagnosis and medical treatment. In particular, Lucy Hunter Blackburn said that in Denmark people were moving to self-declaration for medical treatment. What is the system of medical care in that country in comparison to here? I cannot imagine a situation here in which someone could approach a medical professional and ask them to do something, and they would just do it.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The bill does not erase gender dysphoria but just takes out the process—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It is a follow-up question in relation to 16 and 17-year-olds.

Some panellists, including yourselves, have concerns around the lack of capacity assessment in the bill for 16 and 17-year-olds. Would you support an amendment to the bill that would create an assumption that all 16 and 17-year-olds have capacity to understand the process and its legal implications, as is the case in other law in Scotland, unless in specific circumstances an assessment would find that not to be the case?