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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Inquiry into Race Inequality in Scotland

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the witnesses very much for the evidence that they have given us this morning and for the work that they have been doing. The point has just been made that the reality for organisations working in this field is really difficult right now. This committee and other committees have heard how hard it is for the third sector. I hope that something can be done about that and that the Government is cognisant of that, particularly when it comes to budgets.

A couple of my questions have been answered, particularly on the employment gap growing, especially for women.

In relation to the race equality, employment and skills framework, the then Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills said:

“We need to ensure that leaders of public authorities have a strong understanding of what”

racism

“is and how that understanding can be applied to dismantle the barriers that create race inequality in the workplace.”

Do we have that understanding? Do you think that institutional racism is recognised and named in Scotland’s public authorities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Inquiry into Race Inequality in Scotland

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that institutional racism is recognised and named in public authorities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Inquiry into Race Inequality in Scotland

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Am I right in saying that, if we are seeking to progress that work, we should look at what actions are being taken and follow where money has gone to try to see whether there has been a differential impact?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My question was about the third sector, not local authorities. I will come back to local authorities.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that. I am content with that description and answer.

On the basis of taking that approach, what information can the Government set out in terms of the training or support that will be provided to the members of the chamber to which the issue has been allocated so that they understand some of the complexities? Although I appreciate what has been said about social security—this is council tax reduction; it is not a benefit—what specific support have members of the chamber been given so that they understand the complexities that some families may experience?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister, and good morning to your officials. Thank you for setting out the Government’s priorities and for sharing the information about the budget.

I want to raise a couple of issues. I take the point about the fairer Scotland budget statement being a huge improvement; we have heard that from witnesses. However, we also heard a witness say that navigating the budget document is still

“a bit of an art form.”——[Official Report, Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, 24 January 2023; c 6.]

We heard language such as “vague statements” and “no substance”. We heard that it is hard to find the data in the annexes and that there is “insufficient clarity” on the impact of decisions. If people whose job it is to analyse the budget in terms of equalities are still struggling to navigate it, I worry about accessibility for the wider public.

Do you agree that the information is not quite there yet and that there is still quite a bit of work to do to enable organisations and individuals to follow the budget in a way that provides transparency and accountability?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

To take the local authority funding issue a bit further, we know that cuts to local authority budgets have squeezed council resources and exacerbated inequality across Scotland, particularly in housing, education, social care and community development—areas that are important for equality and human rights. The same is true of the third sector.

I was struck by your comments about a commitment to fair grant funding. Last week, at the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, when I asked the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government about what she would do to support third sector organisations in relation to fair funding, I was disappointed that she basically said that they would have to look at their assets and resources. In effect, that meant that there would be no additional funding to help them to meet their requirements in that regard. How does that square with your ambition to ensure that they can continue to deliver for equality and human rights?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, minister. We heard consistently from witnesses that it is not easy to follow the money all the way through, so that people can understand what is happening, whether a budget line is going up or down and how that impacts on equality and human rights. In some cases, witnesses, including Audit Scotland, said that there is a gap between the aspiration and the reality of what is being delivered. What conversations have you had with other Government departments and ministers with different portfolios about the impact of their budget lines on equality and human rights?

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