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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How would there be a two-tier system just now? My understanding is that all carers allowance is being paid by the UK Government. The two-tier system would be one tier in Scotland and one tier in the rest of the UK, which I think we can all accept is the point of devolution. I do not understand that justification.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. Thank you. It will probably come as no surprise to anyone to hear me say that I think there are other revenue-raising options that the Government has if it were to choose to consider doing things like doubling the carers allowance supplement.

To move on from that, we know that the inflation rate for people on low incomes is higher than for people on other incomes. That is the case because people on low incomes spend about 46 per cent of their income on things like food and energy. Did the Government explore other options when considering the uprating, and what impact does it think that the current uprating will have on families on low incomes? A number of the benefits that the minister has already spoken about today target those groups.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Additional Payments) (No 2) Bill

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. Child winter heating assistance, the Scottish child payment and the benefits that you have referred to are all steady-state benefits; they are not benefits that are paid only because we are in a cost of living crisis, like the ones that are in the legislation that the LCM relates to. That is the point that I am getting at. Why, if it is in the devolved competence of the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government to do so, has the Government not given cost of living payments to these groups of people?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Additional Payments) (No 2) Bill

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I declare an interest as well. I am in receipt of personal independence payment. Sorry鈥擨 did not mention that earlier.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is okay.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I will stop there for now.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Additional Payments) (No 2) Bill

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that answer. The question, though, is not so much about adult disability payment and benefits that are currently being delivered. It is about why, if the Scottish Government believes in paying a one-off payment in times of hardship, as you have just described in relation to clause 7 of the UK bill, it has not done that.

10:30  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister and officials. Forty-four per cent of carers are in poverty. About 40 per cent of them have said that they are struggling to make ends meet and that they cannot afford essentials, 49 per cent are struggling to afford the cost of food and 37 per cent are in debt as a consequence of caring. The number of carers who have cut back on essentials since 2021 has almost doubled. Has the minister considered at this juncture doubling the carers allowance supplement?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that, and it is what my supplementary point is about. We are going into far wider issues. When we spent a bit of time talking about it from one perspective, that was fine, but we are now told that it is not fine to do so from another perspective. I just want to raise that and say that these things, if they matter, matter from a much broader perspective than the one that was raised.

I can go straight into my next theme if that is helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Additional Payments) (No 2) Bill

Meeting date: 23 February 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for setting out the Government鈥檚 position on the cost of living payments and the legislative consent motion. If it is the view of the Scottish Government that it is within the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament to pass legislation to provide payments to people in Scotland as set out in the bill, why has it not done so?