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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Are there any other comments on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee in 2025. Unfortunately, the convener is unable to attend today’s meeting in person and will be joining us online. As deputy convener, I will convene the meeting in her absence. I have received no apologies for the meeting.

Our first agenda item is on United Kingdom subordinate legislation. We will take evidence on a consent notification on the Food and Feed (Regulated Products) (Amendment, Revocation, Consequential and Transitional Provision) Regulations 2025. This is a UK statutory instrument on which the UK Government is seeking the Scottish Government’s consent to legislate in areas of devolved competence. The committee’s role is to decide whether it agrees with the Scottish Government’s proposal to consent to the UK Government making the regulations within devolved competence and in the manner that the UK Government has indicated to the Scottish Government.

At our previous meeting, we considered the notification and agreed to invite the Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health to give evidence today. We have until tomorrow, 22 January, to respond to the Scottish Government’s notification, which we will do immediately after this morning’s evidence session. I therefore invite members to debate and decide how they wish to respond in a letter to the Scottish Government.

I welcome to the committee Jenni Minto, the Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health; Georgina Finch, who is a senior policy adviser at Food Standards Scotland; Neel Mojee, who is a lawyer for the Scottish Government; and Greig Walker, who is project lead on constitution and UK relations at the Scottish Government. I thank you for joining us.

Before we move on to questions, minister, I believe that you would like to make a brief opening statement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Has anyone considered how a narrow definition would work in relation to existing social security definitions, or the impact that that might have on access to benefits at the end of life?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

I thank the witnesses for attending the committee and for answering our questions so fully. Our next meeting will be a week today, when we will continue our stage 1 scrutiny of the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill with evidence on law enforcement considerations, followed by an evidence-taking session with the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

12:15 Meeting continued in private until 12:34.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

I go back to a point that was raised earlier on autonomy. Do the witnesses recognise that, for some individuals, there might be some therapeutic value and comfort in having the option of assisted dying available, even though they might ultimately not use it? Simply having the option available to them as a safeguard against their fear of pain and the progression of their condition might well provide them with some degree of comfort. Is that something that you might want to consider or reflect on?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

In that case, I thank the panel for coming in and answering our questions so thoroughly this morning. It is much appreciated.

I briefly suspend the meeting for a changeover of witnesses.

10:38 Meeting suspended.  

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

Are there any other opinions on that provision?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

In that case, it seems that there is dissent in the committee and I understand that you wish to press that to a division, Gillian. I will put the question and members can indicate verbally whether they are content.

The question is, that members are content for the committee to write to the Scottish Government indicating approval of its proposal to consent to the proposed UK statutory instrument. Are we agreed?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

We continue our scrutiny of the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill with a second panel of witnesses, who are from organisations that are opposed to assisted dying. I welcome Dr Miro Griffiths, disability studies scholar at the University of Leeds, who is representing Not Dead Yet UK; Dr Gordon Macdonald, chief executive officer of Care not Killing; Michael Veitch, policy officer at Christian Action, Research and Education for Scotland; and Dr Gillian Wright, director of Our Duty of Care. Thank you all for coming. We will move straight to questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Paul Sweeney

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence from two panels of witnesses as part of our scrutiny of the Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. By virtue of rule 12.2.3(a), Liam McArthur is attending as the member in charge of the bill and I welcome him to the meeting.

We begin today’s scrutiny of the bill by taking evidence from organisations that are in support of the bill. I welcome to the committee Dr Gillian MacDougall, who is a trustee of Friends at the End; Professor Gareth Morgan, who is convener of the Scottish Christian Forum on Assisted Dying; Fraser Sutherland, who is chief executive officer of the Humanist Society Scotland; and Alyson Thomson, who is director of Dignity in Dying Scotland. We move straight to questions.