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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Emma Roddick

Rob Priestley would answer that more ably. However, there has certainly been a focus on the process when I have met the chair of the equality and human rights budget advisory group. The focus has been on culture, processes, the turnaround of the budget and how we can show our working throughout the process, not just at the end. A lot of it has been about culture change and putting in place checks and balances to ensure that any minister, regardless of their portfolio, has equality and human rights budgeting in their mind, so that it becomes habit rather than something that we have to drive through constantly.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Emma Roddick

Our equality and fairer Scotland budget statement links spending that has been undertaken with national outcomes. Through an equalities lens, that document links what we have spent money on with how that has changed things for people. More generally, in response to equality and human rights budget advisory group recommendations, we have made the commitment that officials will be resourced—to go back to Rob Priestley’s points—to mainstream issues, take a retrospective look and analyse what spending has resulted in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

Absolutely, convener. Such conversations have been happening in the long term, and they are on-going. We have been particularly keen on applying the right to work to asylum seekers, alongside removing NRPF, because such measures would allow integration, as is set out in our vision whereby people would be allowed to integrate from day 1 and, as you say, be economically active during their time here.

The powers that we would need sit within the wider asylum and immigration power that the UK Government holds. We have requested more power over the rights and entitlements of asylum seekers and other migrants, and we will continue to pursue that.

On bus travel, I point out that our existing approach has not been exclusive of asylum seekers. As it stands, our concessionary travel scheme allows for asylum seekers who meet the current criteria, including being aged under 22 or over 60 or being disabled, to acquire free bus travel. We estimate that around a third of asylum seekers in Scotland are currently eligible for it.

I will bring in Aileen Harding to say a bit more about the current pilot on bus travel. Once we have further information about how it is being used by asylum seekers and the types of journeys that are being carried out, we will be more than happy to explore how much it would cost the Scottish Government to extend the scheme and what justification there could be for extending it to one cohort other than simply on the basis of age and disability.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

First, we are in the process of widening the dispersal of asylum seekers to other local authorities but we have been clear that, although a lot of work has been done and experience and knowledge has been built up among those who work in partnership in Glasgow to support asylum seekers, a lot of work also needs to be done to ensure that the support and the services are there once the dispersal is widened. Local authorities will have many different reasons, depending on which council it is, for hesitating to accept asylum seekers. We will learn a lot from the pilot. Transport in a city is very different to transport in a suburban or rural area, but the pilot will inform us of the cost that is likely to be inflicted.

I will bring Alison Byrne in to say some more about asylum dispersal.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

I have been very interested in the evidence that the committee has gathered on hotels—keeping in mind that placement of asylum seekers in hotels—or, rather, temporary accommodation—is a decision that is wholly reserved to the UK.

It is important to go back to my answer to the convener’s previous question. Asylum seekers not having the right to work and not having recourse to public funds makes their placement in hotels very different to how it would be for other cohorts. We are clear that there is a time to use hotels and that there are appropriate circumstances for that. However, we do not see asylum seekers waiting for a decision on their immigration status as appropriate circumstances.

I completely agree about use of the word “temporary”: if we are providing people with temporary accommodation, it needs to be clear that it is temporary. Given the length of waiting times for decisions around immigration status and the uncertainty that asylum seekers face, I think that it is not fair to use the word when we place asylum seekers in hotels in Scotland.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

I completely appreciate the points about mental health impacts and support. We are working with a Glasgow-based mental wellbeing project to better support people who are facing such challenges.

On third sector funding, as I said in my opening statement, we have provided more than ÂŁ2 million from the two funding streams that Maggie Chapman mentioned. Much of the funding from the ending destitution together strategy goes to the British Red Cross to provide crisis grants to people who are at risk of destitution. However, we have to be sure that they are close to destitution due to NRPF, not having a right to work and having difficulty getting appropriate housing.

It is very difficult to continue to fund at such levels to mitigate failures in the UK Government’s immigration system, given that that is not something that we are able to change. However, we have a duty to try to make things better around the edges. I would much prefer to make big changes to the rights and entitlements of asylum seekers by saying that we will remove NRPF and give people the right to work. Given that we cannot do that, we are left to provide crisis grants and other support through different means.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

Certainly. The Scottish Parliament passed the act unanimously in 2015, which shows the strength of feeling across all parties about doing more to support victims of human trafficking.

Police Scotland continues to work closely with partners in the UK and beyond to share intelligence and co-ordinate work. We are bringing in as much knowledge and expertise as we can so that we are able to approach that work as widely and effectively as possible. However, we are very concerned that, should the bill pass in its current form, we would be severely limited in our ability to identify then support victims, because they would have the extra burden of not being able to come forward and explain their situation, given the potential for their removal from the UK.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

It is temporary, in that most Ukrainians who are living in Scotland would consider any place in which they are currently living to be temporary, but it is not temporary accommodation in the way that hotels and vessels are.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

I do not have the exact number to hand. To give a bit of context, I point out that the number is currently changing every day because the disembarkation of the MS Victoria is getting to the final stages; every single day, a significant number of Ukrainians are moving off the ship.

I do not know whether my officials have our most up-to-date figures on that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Emma Roddick

As ESOL has been integrated with the adult learning strategy, it is delivered by colleges, but in partnership with community planning partnerships to ensure that there is local engagement and local tailoring.