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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

That leads me on to the Government鈥檚 proposed amendment to the Housing (Scotland) Bill, which will introduce Awaab鈥檚 law in Scotland. How will that work in practice? For example, what might be specified in secondary legislation with regard to the timescales required for work to address dampness and mould, as well as levels of compensation?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We have had apologies from Emma Roddick MSP. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 in private. Are we agreed to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. Before I come to my few remaining questions, I will go back to Meghan Gallacher鈥檚 question about assessors and assessments. Alan Johnston, you said that the Government will have to keep its eye on the ball. Will you explain how you will do that鈥攈ow will you monitor and track that? We have a complex picture with Government-led and developer-led approaches, the single open call and movement in between, it seems. Some kind of diagram鈥攑erhaps a Venn diagram鈥攎ight be useful at some point.

What will you do to keep your eye on the ball?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes, certainly. The tragedy of Grenfell has catalysed our understanding that there is a bigger picture to which we need to pay attention.

That brings us to the end of our questions. Many thanks to the minister and his officials for their evidence.

As we have previously agreed to take the next items in private, I now close the public part of the meeting.

11:09 Meeting continued in private until 12:00.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay, that was very helpful鈥攖hanks.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. Thanks for that. We are going to move on to the topic of reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete, and I will bring in Mark Griffin.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay. So it is still a work in progress.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes, that is fine.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is evidence as part of our work programme on building safety and maintenance. This morning, we are joined by Paul McLennan, the Minister for Housing. He is joined by Scottish Government officials Alan Johnston, deputy director of cladding remediation; Stephen Garvin, deputy director of building standards; and Ruth Whatling, housing standards team leader, better homes.

We have a number of questions to ask. I will begin鈥攊f I can find my question sheet.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is good to get that clear. I want to bring in an overarching topic that we discussed when we took evidence in our first session on cladding, many years ago. I think you will remember it, minister鈥攊t was an unusual session in the Burns room.

A few things came up. One idea was to have a kind of MOT around the maintenance and operations of buildings, and that buildings need to be regularly checked. The other thing that came up at the time was how we track what materials are being used in buildings. The discussion demonstrates the difficulty of going back to find the buildings, putting out the open call, getting people to come forward and identifying the problem areas. Is that something that the Government is looking into or would consider looking into?

Also, what action could we take鈥攖his came up in evidence鈥攖o prevent developers from using experimental or inadequately tested materials as a potential cost saving as part of whatever they are developing? How do we make sure that developers build buildings with materials that we can say are future proof, so that safety is inbuilt in the first place?