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I am curious to hear the witnesses’ thoughts on other stakeholders, such as community groups and tourism businesses—people whose livelihoods depend on marine biodiversity—joining the regional inshore fisheries group meetings. Charles Millar touched on the groups’ limited membership earlier. I am curious to hear about opening that up.

On the environmental impact of salmon farming, I am also curious to hear the witnesses’ views on further regulation of that sector of aquaculture.

I thank the witnesses for coming today. It is good to hear about the challenges that you face, and I am interested in hearing about your approach to the climate and ecological crisis.

As we know, Scotland’s seas play a key role in the climate by storing carbon, but they are susceptible to a number of threats through our activity. That activity includes bottom-contact and mid-water fishing, which is the most geographically widespread and direct pressure on our marine environment. Commercial fishing also contributes to greenhouse gas emissions, although I heard in introductions from some of the witnesses that that is perhaps less the case.

We are considering the impacts of ocean acidification, sea level rise and the changing ecology, about which we heard from Elspeth Macdonald when she spoke about the fish moving further north. I want to say from the outset that I am looking for a long-term future for fishing. How do we move from what we are doing right now—overfishing—to a more sustainable practice? I would love to hear the witnesses’ views on what a just transition would mean for the fishing industry and coastal communities.

Welcome to the fourth meeting of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee in session 6. Our first item is consideration of a decision on taking in private item 3, which will be an opportunity for members to reflect on the evidence that they hear during this morning’s meeting. Are members agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

We are getting to the time when we need to wrap up. There are some questions remaining, on which we could write to you, but I want to give you each the opportunity to talk for a minute or so if there is anything else that you want to tell us this morning, while we are all here together. If you feel strongly that there is something that you want to let us know, I will give you a bit of time for that. We will start with Margaret Davidson, followed by Derek Mackay and Douglas Hendry.

I read the report by the Electoral Reform Society in preparation for the meeting. It was interesting that the report compared the average population per square kilometre in Scotland’s wards to those in the UK and European Union. This may not apply to Shetland and Orkney, but I was struck that the average local authority in Scotland has 163,200 residents, whereas the EU average is 5,630. The report also says that the UK has one councillor for every 2,860 people, whereas Finland has one for every 500.

Those figures might be part of a bigger conversation about real local representation. Our conversation today is about proposed boundaries. Are we on a journey towards more localised representation and a different way of working together? Has that been explored in Shetland or Orkney?

Thank you both for your responses. What has clearly come through the conversation this morning is the point around councillors’ remuneration and the acknowledgement of their role, and how improvement there would encourage people to come forward. The committee has already been talking about that and it is perhaps a piece of work that we need to take on and explore. That would be fitting, because the committee members include three current councillors and a former councillor, so we have a valuable perspective in that regard.

I appreciate your contributions this morning. We have to wrap up this session now, but I give you the opportunity to say whether there is anything that has not come out at all in the discussion. I see that you are both shaking your heads. Okay. Thank you so much for speaking to us today.

I have a question for Karen Greaves, which I will put in writing, on her mention of a tweak to the Kirkwall boundary. I will seek clarity in a letter to her about what she meant by that, because my understanding is that if we accept the boundaries, they must be accepted as they currently stand.

We will have a brief suspension.

I welcome our second panel of witnesses this morning: Councillor Margaret Davidson, leader of Highland Council, who joins us by telephone; Douglas Hendry, executive director of Argyll and Bute Council; and Derek Mackay, governance and elections manager for Comhairle nan Eilean Siar.

We have a range of questions, and I will ask the opening question. Are you satisfied with the recommendations that are set out in Boundaries Scotland’s report regarding your council areas? I ask Douglas Hendry to start. We will then go to Margaret Davidson and Derek Mackay.

Thank you. We will probably have a bit of time to explore some of the detail of those differences. Margaret, can you share your perspective in that regard?

Thank you for the responses so far. I note an interest, which is that I am an MSP for Highlands and Islands. All the council representatives taking part today represent councils that are in my region. North Ayrshire is not in my region, but the council is not represented at the meeting.

I will bring in Meghan Gallacher, who will shift the focus a little bit.

I thank all three of you for coming along this morning. The session has been very helpful—I have certainly become aware of the more nuanced issues that everyone has raised. If we have any other questions, we will put them to you in letter form. I now close the public part of our meeting, and we move into private session for our next item.