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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

We have come to the end of the discussion. Unfortunately, we never have enough time, but it has been very helpful to hear from this panel and the other panels this morning—I think that all committee members agree with me on that. As I said at the beginning of the meeting, this is not the only time that we will take evidence on the issue. In January, we will lead a debate in the Parliament on retrofitting, and we will see what comes out of that. Your contributions have been very helpful.

I suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave.

11:44 Meeting suspended.  

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

We go to my colleague Willie Coffey, who joins us online, for questions on the next theme, which is public engagement and local communities.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for those responses. We will now move on to the final theme, which is infrastructure.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

It was good to hear those responses.

Meghan Gallacher will ask the next question. I note that we have only 14 minutes left for this evidence session, so I ask for succinct and to-the-point answers, although people can come in if they feel that a particular issue has not been raised.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2021 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that their mobile phones are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

Our first item is consideration of whether to take items?4 and 5 in private. Item?4?will be an opportunity for members to reflect on the evidence that they will have heard earlier in the meeting on retrofitting housing for net zero, and item 5 will be the committee’s chance to consider its approach to scrutiny of the recently laid short-term lets regulations. Do members agree to take items?4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

The second item on our agenda is an evidence session that forms part of the committee’s work on retrofitting housing for net zero. We will take evidence from three panels this morning. The session will not by any means be the committee’s only one on the issue, but we hope to understand more today about the costs and funding of retrofitting; how retrofitting can be done in a way that considers a just transition; public engagement on retrofitting; and the skills, supply chain and infrastructure necessary for retrofitting.

I welcome our first panel. Professor Ken Gibb is director of the UK Collaborative Centre for Housing Evidence at the University of Glasgow, and Chris Morgan is an architect and director at John Gilbert Architects. Chris Morgan was involved in the project that we will discuss. I thank the witnesses for joining us.

We will move straight to questions. If the witnesses wish to respond to a question or to contribute to the discussion, they should add an R in the chat box to indicate that. We will possibly direct some of our questions to a specific person, but we will probably have a bit of time because there are just two witnesses. We have around 12 questions to get through.

We will start with Chris Morgan. Will you give a brief overview of the purpose of the Niddrie Road project?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that. It is good to hear the perspective from Shetland, with its high wind speeds and higher costs.

We move on to the just transition, which Elena Whitham will ask about.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Are you aware of any other EnerPHit projects that are tackling other types of housing stock in Scotland? It is not just about tenements, because there will be other housing stock.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that stark reality check, Bryan.

The next and final theme is infrastructure, which is fitting. We will spend about five minutes on that and, if the witnesses need to tuck something into their responses because they were not able to come in earlier, they are welcome to do so.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I believe that we have lost Elizabeth Leighton for the moment, so I will ask another question, staying with Lori McElroy. I am curious to know what you think about private financing. Will that be required to roll out retrofitting on a national scale?