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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Do you have any more questions, Miles?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

In that case, we will move to questions from Mark Griffin.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that response and for giving us the term “tactical urbanism”; that is brilliant.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

That was insightful. You have filled in some parts of the puzzle for me.

You talk about planning departments being pressed. Some of that comes from the right of recourse to appeals. Why do we have an appeal system? Developers can have a planning application refused but then take it to appeal. You are saying that constantly having to deal with that puts pressure on planning departments

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

We have a few more questions from members, and about 20 minutes left in the session, so we should manage if we can all keep to the point.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you, that was great. It was Elena Whitham who asked the question, but we are all interested, so we would be grateful if you could provide that to the committee. Thanks for pointing us to the United Cities and Local Governments charter as well—that is brilliant.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

As part of our approach to NPF4, we will now consider the evidence that we have just heard in private.

12:33 Meeting continued in private until 12:52.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

We have lots of questions, so I will go to Christina Gaiger and then Barbara Cummins, who has not spoken yet. If we have time, I will try to bring Robbie Calvert back in. However, I would like to move on.

09:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Welcome back. We will continue to take evidence as part of the scrutiny of NPF4. I welcome our second panel of witnesses: Dr Caroline Brown is a lecturer in environmental planning and healthy environments at Heriot-Watt University; Professor Cliff Hague is emeritus professor of planning and spatial development at Heriot-Watt University, and chair of the Cockburn Association; and Professor Leigh Sparks is deputy principal and professor of retail studies at the institute for retail studies at the University of Stirling.

Thank you for joining us. We have already had a rich evidence session with the previous panel and are looking forward to hearing from you. We will move straight to questions. We tend to direct our questions to one person initially, but if any other witnesses want to come in,?they should please put an R in the chat function. If we start to run out of time, witnesses may be asked to come to a point to ensure that all questions are answered.

I will kick off with the first question, which I will direct to Dr Caroline Brown first.? The draft NPF4 represents a significant shift in national planning policy, with a new focus on issues of place, liveability, wellbeing and emissions reduction. Will the Scottish planning system be able to deliver those ambitious outcomes?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Ailsa Macfarlane I will add to my questions. We have a couple of national policies that focus on climate and nature restoration. I would like to get a sense of whether you believe that the goals for climate change and emission reductions in the draft framework are achievable and consistent with other policies that are in it. I ask Ailsa Macfarlane to respond to my first question about whether the planning system is set up to deliver the outcomes and to give her thoughts on the climate emission reductions piece.