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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I see that Jane Tennant wants to respond.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for mentioning the UNESCO biosphere. It is important to note that.

Before I bring in David Dunne, I note that we are running over time. I will let the meeting run until 11:15 and try to stop us at that point. It is clear that we have a lot to discuss here.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful to get the specifics of the scenarios in Aberdeen. I will bring in Iain McDiarmid, then move on with a couple of closing questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. It was helpful to get some specific examples such as “good, green jobs”. What, indeed, does that actually mean?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2022 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that their mobile phones are switched to silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take items 3, 4, 5 and 6 in private? Item 3 relates to the committee’s approach to further consideration of understanding barriers to local elected office; item 4 is consideration of our approach to the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill; item 5 is a chance for the committee to agree its approach to new standards for fire alarms in all homes in Scotland; and item 6 is consideration of our approach to scrutiny of the Building Safety Bill legislative consent memorandum.

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Agenda item 2 is the fourth of our five evidence-taking sessions on the draft fourth national planning framework, or NPF4. The focus of the session is on local government issues. On 22 February, we will hear from the minister.

I welcome to the meeting Councillor Steven Heddle, environment and economy spokesperson, and Calum Lindsay, policy manager in environment and economy, both representing the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; David Dunne, interim chief officer in strategic place planning at Aberdeen City Council; Craig Iles, service lead in planning and building standards at South Ayrshire Council; Pam Ewen, head of planning at Fife Council and chair of Heads of Planning Scotland; Sarah Shaw, head of planning neighbourhoods in regeneration and sustainability at Glasgow City Council; Iain McDiarmid, executive manager for planning at Shetland Islands Council; and Jane Tennant, chair of the Royal Town Planning Institute Scottish young planners network. Thank you for joining us.

We will move straight to questions. If any of our witnesses wishes to respond or contribute to the discussion, they should put an R in the chat box. There are quite a few of you, which is fantastic. We tend to direct our questions to one or two people initially, but if you feel that you have something important to say or highlight in response to a question or to bring into the conversation, please join in—unless, of course, the point has already been made. We have only 90 minutes for this session, and I might have to cut people off and move on to another question. I hope that that is okay.

Witnesses have repeatedly raised with us concerns about the vague language in the draft NPF4. Do you share those views? What language do you think needs to be improved or revisited to ensure that NPF4 delivers positive and concrete outcomes for our local communities? Perhaps I can start with Pam Ewen, because of what she has said in her written submission, and then go to Jane Tennant and Sarah Shaw.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Pam Ewen, you mentioned that the document is in draft and being consulted on, and that that is a process. Do you have any further thoughts on the dual consultation?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

It is very good to hear about the more specific issues around the action zones, which feel like just swathes of colours on a map of Scotland. If we were not going to have action zones, what would be a good way to map out different areas of Scotland? Does Iain McDiarmid want to pick up on Paul McLennan’s question?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you—that was helpful. I will bring in Calum Lindsay.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Ariane Burgess

I note that Craig Iles said earlier that, with that kind of power, you need a plan, and then you need time and resources.

Are there any other specific improvements that could be made to the draft that have not already been highlighted during the evidence session or in your written submissions? We have covered a lot, but there might be something else that you really want to tell us today. You can put an R in the chat for that.