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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

Yes, exactly. Therefore, we are talking about a hunting context and what happens if dogs come into an area where there are nesting birds. We heard from farmers earlier—and we have heard in other situations—that hunting actually helps the nesting birds. I am trying to understand whether there is a different experience of that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

My question is for Barrie Wade, who is in the spotlight this morning.

The written evidence from the National Working Terrier Federation states:

“It is commonplace on a shoot day to use more than 2 dogs while flushing game from cover ... We do not believe that the intention of the Bill is to restrict, control or interfere with normal shooting practices”.

I want to get clarity on that point, because the bill does restrict the number of dogs to two for game shooting and to one for flushing foxes and mink from below ground. If you do not think that the bill restricts those practices, that is a really important point that we need to fully understand.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

Okay.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I had a question for Duncan Orr-Ewing, but you have responded to most of it in answer to the convener’s questions, so I will ask a follow-up question.

The bill proposes a licensing scheme for using more than two dogs for wildlife control purposes, and individual landowners, farmers and organisations will be able to apply for those licences. However, I am aware that, for some predators, including species such as mink, control measures are efficacious in the long term only if they are done at a landscape scale. How could the approach to species control be improved? Could we take an alternative approach to simply allowing greater numbers of dogs to be used by licence holders in their local area?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

The bill includes an exception for environmental benefit, which would allow, with a licence, the use of two or more dogs for purposes such as eradication of invasive non-native species. However, can you tell me about the environmental harm that can be caused by bringing dogs into an area where, for example, there are ground-nesting birds? That question is for Duncan Orr-Ewing.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I hear what you say about the way in which the dog is worked, but how often does a dog attack a fox underground?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I have been made aware of evidence that terriers that do terrier work have scars on their faces. Surely if you put a dog that is in hunt mode underground and it comes up against a fox, they must come into contact. What is the difference between putting two dogs against each other above ground, which is illegal, and putting a terrier underground against a fox in a highly stressful situation?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

How do you prevent the dog from attacking the fox underground?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

Ross Macleod, do you want to come in on that?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I have a follow-up question for Duncan Orr-Ewing. Should we give more thought to the environmental benefit that wild mammals, such as foxes and badgers, contribute to an area, such as how their digging in the soil contributes to nutrient recycling and moisture retention, helping to prevent flooding and drought and creating habitats for other animals?