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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Inshore Fisheries

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

I want to come in on what Lucy Kay just said, about something that is emerging for me in this conversation. We keep talking about fishers, but there are more stakeholders in Scotland’s inshore, so we need to increase community engagement and that kind of thing. Some weeks ago, we had Marine Scotland in the room and we were talking about HPMAs, and there was a commitment for a co-design—I cannot remember the exact words—and that the community would be involved. What do we mean by “the community”? I am curious to hear what you think. Who should be around the table in thinking about HPMAs around Scotland?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Inshore Fisheries

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

Good morning. I am Ariane Burgess, MSP for the Highlands and Islands region.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Inshore Fisheries

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

Can I come in on that, convener? Regional marine spatial planning is an exciting opportunity. Lucy Kay said that it needs to be supported. Will you be more specific? What would need to be in place to support that?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Inshore Fisheries

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

We are moving on to the theme of sustainable fisheries management, although we have been touching on that. Scotland’s marine environment faces many pressures, as we have been highlighting, such as a change in composition and distribution of species due to climate change; declining seabird populations and the recent bird flu crisis; and sea bed damage due to fishing pressures.

We are interested in the issues around climate change and what is happening on that; a future catching plan and remote electronic monitoring; the proposal to introduce highly protected marine areas; fisheries management plans; and importantly—this has come to light in some ways—enforcement and the lack of resources for it. The evidence shows that there is a need to restore the biodiversity—that has come out in the conversation already and there is agreement on it. We have also talked about the spatial squeeze.

With the arrival on the horizon of the proposal from the Scottish Government and the Greens in the Bute house agreement on HPMAs, I would like to hear first from Bally Philp about how we will manage the spatial squeeze if we bring in HPMAs. We have had conversations about that issue in the past, and it would be good to hear your thoughts.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Inshore Fisheries

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

We need neutral science, and I am interested in hearing about how we would get that. Someone said that that should come through the Scottish Government. It seems as though you need to be out on the water to get that, and there is an opportunity to do that through vessel monitoring systems and REM. Hannah Fennell mentioned data gathering in Orkney. Do we need Government vessels in all the inshore fisheries groups—I think that Marine Scotland has 18 vessels—so that we can gather information on what is happening on the ground? How do we get to the point at which we all agree on what needs to be gathered and looked at? It seems as though the situation is a bit of a mystery to all of us, and concerns are flying around that we are not basing our decisions on the right information.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

I have one more question. National planning framework 4, which is in draft form—and which we hope to see soon—is a big piece of work that will set the direction for the next 10 years. However, the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill is going to dictate things around planning, gathering data and so on. Will it have an impact on the national planning framework or anything else that we in Scotland are doing in terms of planning?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

Indeed. We need to get busy and find the 700 new planners.

I do not think that anyone has anything else to say at this time. It sounds as though we need a bit more detail before we can take things further, but it has been important to flag up the issues, note what could be coming our way and highlight the impacts. It has been helpful to hear the witnesses’ perspectives, so I thank you very much for joining us.

09:59 Meeting suspended.  

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

Does the committee agree that we do not wish to make any recommendation on the instrument, and that we will gather the information to which Miles Briggs referred?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the other items on our agenda in private so, as we have no more public business, I close the public part of the meeting.

10:03 Meeting continued in private until 10:30.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee.

I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that their mobile phones are on silent mode and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

We have received apologies from Willie Coffey, Marie McNair, Mark Griffin and Annie Wells.

Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take agenda items 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.