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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 September 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I understand that that is a bit of a deviation from European Union legislation. What is the thinking in the EU that means that it does not allow meat to be sold as defrosted? I want to get assurance that you have thought through all of that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

My amendments 192 and 193 are straightforward. They would simply add that, if a court convicts a person of a relevant offence and makes a deprivation order or a seizure order that affects the person’s dog or horse, any so-called “disposal” of that dog or horse

“must take into account the need to ensure”

its welfare.

I did not lodge amendments that would seek to add that requirement to the destruction option because sections 16 and 18 already state that a court cannot order the destruction of a dog or a horse

“unless it is satisfied, on evidence provided ... by a veterinary surgeon, that destruction would be in the interests of the”

animal.

I want to note on record that it is appalling that activities such as fox hunting may feasibly result in destruction being in the best interests of a dog or horse and that such activities are able to continue.

I thank the minister for offering to work with me at stage 3 to ensure that my amendments to the sections on deprivation and seizure orders would work alongside other such orders, so I will not move my amendments. I look forward to working with the minister at stage 3.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I support Colin Smyth’s amendments in this group, because it is prudent to require that reasonable steps be taken to ensure that dogs do not form a relay. As he has said, mounted hunts in England have been seen using several pairs of dogs one after the other to chase stags, and these amendments would help avoid similar practices being adopted here by making them an offence.

09:45  

I do not support Rachael Hamilton’s amendments in the group. Amendment 244 defines the term “pack” in a way that excludes working gun dogs. Gun dogs are, simply, dogs that are trained to retrieve game. Apart from the problem of unambiguously defining what a working gun dog is—whether a dog is a “gun dog” and whether it was “working” at the time that it was hunting a wild mammal—that definition of “pack” would create yet another loophole, as those who are bent on hunting with packs of dogs would simply argue that they were using working gun dogs. To be frank, amendment 244 seems like an 11th-hour attempt to allow hunting with packs of dogs to continue, not in order to protect livestock or the environment but for sport and—

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I have concluded my comments.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

As we discussed last week, and previously during the taking of evidence, loopholes in the 2002 act were uncovered after the fact. I am concerned about allowing any space for any interpretation in any situation. People were very creative in interpreting the 2002 act, and I want to ensure that there are no loopholes in the bill. I believe that amendment 244 would potentially create a loophole.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Do you want to direct your question to someone? Pick on someone first.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

We have certainly been taking evidence to a great extent on the national care service, but it is good to hear those perspectives.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Does anybody have any experience of that? I see that we have lost Shaun Macaulay, who might have been able to answer that question more fully.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will dig a little bit deeper on changes in behaviours. Will you give us an example, or examples, of a change that would build that trust?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Governance Review

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Sarah Watters wants to come in on that.