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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Our third item is consideration of two Scottish statutory instruments. As they are negative instruments, there is no requirement for the committee to make any recommendations on them.

Members will note that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee reported the Building (Scotland) Amendment (Amendment) (No 2) Regulations 2022 to the Parliament for breaching the 28-day rule. That committee drew our attention to correspondence from the Government explaining the reasons for the breach, which is annexed to its report.

As members have no comments on the instruments, is the committee agreed that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to them?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Housing Regulator “Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22”

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

That sounds good.

I am a little curious. You held on to five vacancies, but you also talked about doing some work on streamlining your workflow. Does the pressure of not having those five positions filled force you into looking at how you do the “people business”, as you put it? Will that set you up well for staffing?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Housing Regulator “Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22”

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Some members of the committee went to that project earlier this year—perhaps it was last year; I cannot remember. It is a fantastic example of what can be done. It is really heartening to know that those pilots are out there so that we can get a better understanding.

I will bring in Annie Wells, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Housing Regulator “Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22”

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

That would be welcome. Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Housing Regulator “Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22”

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

We will continue for a bit longer. I will bring in Paul McLennan.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I support Colin Smyth’s amendments 114, 120, 125 and 128, which would remove the use of a bird of prey as an accepted method of killing a wild mammal under sections 3 and 5 to 7. The committee heard evidence from, for example, the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission and OneKind that killing a wild mammal with a bird of prey is neither humane nor efficient. There is no justification for its being a permitted method of killing under sections 3 and 5 to 7 when other more humane and effective methods are available.

I understand that the Government does not wish to ban falconry by the back door, but amendments 114, 120, 125 and 128 would not do that. They would simply remove the option to use a bird of prey to kill a wild mammal for wildlife control, environmental benefit or other purposes.

I urge members to vote for Colin Smyth’s amendments.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

Convener, I wish to put on the record that, on amendment 158, I would have voted no.

Amendment 159 not moved.

Amendment 210 moved—[Rachael Hamilton].

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

I speak in favour of Christine Grahame’s amendment 174.

Trail hunting was invented in England after the Hunting Act 2004 was passed. It provides a loophole for hunting with packs to continue. Police Scotland told the committee that, if trail hunting were made illegal, it would certainly limit the opportunity for fox hunting, so the Government is right to ban it pre-emptively by making trail hunting an offence. However, we must also be alive to the potential loopholes in the exception for training a dog to follow an animal-based scent for a lawful purpose.

Christine Grahame’s amendment 174 would ensure that anyone training dogs to follow a scent would need to take precautions and not allow the dogs to pursue a wild mammal. Further, they must not allow themselves to act recklessly. That is, they must not get into a situation in which they might foreseeably lose control of the dog, even if accidentally. That is crucial to ensuring that the ban on trail hunting is fit for purpose, which is crucial to helping to put an end to hunting with packs of dogs.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Ariane Burgess

—for human entertainment. That is unacceptable, and I cannot support amendment 244.