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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

The next item is to take evidence on damp and mould in social and private rented housing from two panels of witnesses. On panel 1, we are joined by Rosemary Agnew, who is the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; Callum Chomczuk, who is the national director of the Chartered Institute of Housing Scotland; Nicola Harcus, who is the assistant director of regulation for the Scottish Housing Regulator; and Helen Shaw, who is the director of regulation for the SHR. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

I will begin. This question is for everybody, but witnesses do not need to respond to everything, and we have some questions that relate to your specific areas of work. I am interested to get your sense of the scale of the problem of dampness and mould in rented housing. For example, is it more prevalent in a particular house type or geographical area? Could data on that issue be improved? I will start with Callum Chomczuk.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

You mentioned the Scottish housing quality standard and the Scottish social housing charter. I would be interested to know whether you are considering any more specific monitoring of the prevalence of damp and mould in social housing. Do you think that we should be doing that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

That was a spontaneous question that arose from what Callum said earlier. Would anyone else like to comment? You are welcome to do so, but you do not have to.

As no one has anything to add, I thank our witnesses. It has been really helpful to hear your evidence and to get your perspective, given your expertise in the area.

I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow a changeover of witnesses.

10:45 Meeting suspended.  

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I can imagine that, in your new role, you are trying to get that understanding of what is really going on and to take that nuanced approach.

The committee has heard that the cost of living crisis can cause or exacerbate dampness problems, because tenants cannot always afford to put their heating on. The SFHA welcomed the fuel insecurity fund, but suggested that it could be moved on to a long-term footing to help social landlords to plan. What more can the Scottish Government do to help tenants with the cost of living crisis and their energy costs?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

You brought up the issue of skills and workforce, which came up at our meeting two weeks ago. What do we need to do in that area? Do we have people who have sufficient expertise to handle damp and mould issues?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

You have talked about raising stakeholder awareness of the housing standards and have said that you will have a meeting. What kind of things do you think it will be important to raise with stakeholders or make them more aware of?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Speed seems to be important, but it is good to be consulting everyone.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

You have talked about the new housing standard, minister, but we already have a housing standard. How do we enforce it? If we bring in a new standard, how will we ensure that it is being met by, say, housing companies?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Do we have the resources and the innovation that we need? Is there innovation that could be happening here? Do landlords have somewhere to go where they can get a greater understanding of what they could be doing?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Damp and Mould in Social and Private Rented Housing

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

It is absolutely the case that we need that acceleration to improve our housing stock.

We will move to questions from Annie Wells.