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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I made a note about Chris Ashurst’s comment on regular communication with people even if we do not have anything new to tell them, so I am glad that you picked up on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Is there something that we need to look at around tenure? I hear that we have a problem with a different tenure system. We have to sort out the current issues but, looking to the future, do we have a tenure system that causes problems?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you. I will bring in Mark Griffin, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is useful, and it is helpful to understand that you are aware of the potential need for more nuance.

Before I bring in Annie Wells, there is something else that I want to put to you, Stephen. You spoke about remediating buildings that were built at a particular time but that we have different standards now. I made a note to ask whether there is an opportunity, without slowing things down—I would not want that to happen—to look also at retrofitting buildings while we are remediating them, so that we do not have to go back to them to make them net zero in the future, and that kind of thing.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, Marie. I bring in Ivan McKee.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Okay. That may be something for us to explore in the future.

Thank you very much for coming in this morning and giving your perspectives on the issue.

We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next agenda items in private, so I close the public part of the meeting.

11:09 Meeting continued in private until 11:12.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much, Willie. I was just going to say that.

Marie McNair has questions for Chris. We will then come to Fionna, so if there is anything that you want to say at that point, you are welcome to do so.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

We now turn to item 2, which is to take evidence on building safety, focusing in particular on progress over the past year on the single building assessment pilot programme, responses to the zero valuation of flats in blocks with potentially flammable cladding systems stemming from the external wall system 1 process, and the Scottish safer buildings accord. We are joined for our first panel by Chris Ashurst, who is group co-ordinator at the High Rise Scotland Action Group, and Fionna Kell, who is director of policy at Homes for Scotland.

I will begin. Chris—I will start with a question for you, and then I will come to other committee members. Are home owners and buyers still experiencing problems in moving or obtaining mortgages due to the zero valuation of homes that has been caused by concerns about fire safety? If so, what impact does that have on the people who are affected?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I have questions for you now, Fionna Kell, and, as I said, you can pick up on anything else that we have covered previously.

The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government wrote to the committee in March 2023, stating that agreement on the safer building accord could not be reached as there was

“an unwillingness of developers to accept the need to work to legal Scottish Building Standards.”

I am interested to know whether that is correct and, if so, how the dispute was overcome.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. That is very helpful.