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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Most people do not understand that that is as much as a straight-up councillor gets as their salary. I am interested to hear what Reform Scotland would like to see in the forthcoming legislation. There is the local democracy bill and, as I mentioned in the previous evidence session, the community wealth building bill. What are the opportunities there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2023 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. We have received apologies from Annie Wells and Marie McNair. I remind members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off during the meeting.

Under our first agenda item, we will decide whether to take items 4 to 7 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Under agenda item 2, we will take evidence on the recent Accounts Commission report, “Local government in Scotland: Overview 2023”. We are joined by Andrew Burns, a member of the Accounts Commission, and Tim McKay, its interim deputy chair. We are also joined, from Audit Scotland, by Carol Calder, audit director; Antony Clark, executive director of performance audit and best value; and Lucy Jones, audit manager.

I invite Tim McKay to make a short opening statement before I open the meeting to questions from members.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I do not know what the salary is at the moment. I think that it is around £19,000 per year.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. That was a very interesting discussion. I now have a greater understanding of your thinking behind that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much, Mark. That was interesting. Thanks for that positive response, Alison.

I want to pick up on one piece. You talked about coterminous boundaries. At the end of June, we will be going to Orkney, which is a single-island authority. Have you looked at what is going on there? We heard from Councillor Heddle at one point that that council has given budgets to its community councils on the surrounding islands so that they can make decisions at a local level with some financial backing.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

It is really important to point that out. It is helpful to hear that there may be a need for some powers that have already been devolved elsewhere to come to Scotland to help us with that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I have a number of mop-up questions. On the subject of wellbeing, is there any consideration of the four-day work week? Has that been looked at?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Brilliant. When you were responding to Ivan McKee’s questions, you mentioned the opportunities from the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 and how that has brought about communities doing asset transfers. I wonder whether our upcoming community wealth building bill could bring more opportunities for the collaboration that you have talked about, around the procurement of goods and services across local authorities. What are your thoughts on that? Antony Clark is nodding.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

It is very good that you have highlighted that. Speaking of English councils, I am aware that there are inshore fisheries and conservation authorities there. In England, there is overview of the inshore waters, managed at the council level. That is a really interesting model. In Scotland, we are probably struggling with having local stakeholder input into our inshore marine space. It is not just about fishing; many other people are involved in the inshore waters. The approach that is being taken in England and the fact that it is tied to a local authority is interesting. It is not necessarily appropriate to take models from England and use them as a sticking plaster to be placed over what is going on in Scotland, because we have a different structure to begin with, but it is interesting to look at that.