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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for highlighting that. There are so many bits to keep track of.

As you are aware, we held a great event with Scotland’s Futures Forum on local government and central Government relationships—some of you were there; in fact, all of you might have been there. A number of people told us that local government is often seen as the delivery arm of central Government rather than its true partner. I am interested in your thoughts on how a new deal could change that and support a relationship that is based on trust. What could a new deal mean for the communities that local government serves?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

You mentioned that it had been recommended that responsibility for non-domestic rates be devolved. My understanding is that there would be concern if you had variation in rates for businesses that have branches in lots of different council areas. That would be a difficult one for them.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Last week, we had a useful meeting with our counterpart committee in Wales. The members told us that, in Wales, there are four corporate joint committees that have a regional approach. They said that we should not adopt that approach too quickly, but it is interesting that, even though Wales is smaller, they have a regional approach for some aspects of decision making.

It comes down to what needs to be decided at a higher level and what needs to be decided more locally. Starting to decide what the decision-making domain is takes me back to the clarity that was called for at our new deal event with the futures forum. There were calls for clarity about which decisions should be made locally, with a more nuanced approach, and which things it makes sense to do at a higher level because we need a regional approach—roads are an example.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

That kind of opens something else up, but I will not go there.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you so much, Alison, for joining us. It has been tremendously helpful. We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next items on the agenda in private, so, as that was the last public item today, I now close the public part of the meeting.

11:42 Meeting continued in private until 11:59.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Something that I always come back to is how we get more people to engage with community councils. I made a note that says, “How local is local?” We need to have that conversation, and we may talk about that in the committee. Having a universal basic income is not necessarily an ideal approach, but I wonder whether it would be a way to get more diversity at the very local level on our community councils, because people would have some foundational income to enable them to serve their community.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

This might be a radical idea for reform, but I was in conversation with somebody about forestry. We spoke at length and, several times during that conversation, we came back to local government reform. One of the points was that local authorities might own more land, perhaps for forestry or agriculture. Again, that ties into the community wealth building agenda. That may be a radical idea, because we do not do that. We tend to look at that more at the national level. We have talked about the need for a more local and nuanced approach. In that conversation, we kept coming back to the point that that is an opportunity. Local authority-owned forestry could be an income generator, and it could provide timber for housing. Has there been any thinking around that kind of approach? I know that we have the common good land, but that has evolved in a slightly different way. Certainly, locally to me, a lot of that land is a golf course rather than for other things.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. Does anybody else want to come in on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

From being on the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, I am aware that there are regional land use partnerships. In my region, Highland Council is involved in the regional land use partnership. It feels like that is another step in the direction of looking at land use.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. That is really helpful. We will keep an eye out for that work.

It is clear that it is about more than housing; it is about the full support package to help people. One thing has been flagged up to me in my region in conversations about housing. When I talk to people about “affordable housing”, they say, “We need housing that people can afford.” It would be good to have a look at what we mean by that. In the committee, we discuss affordable housing—housing that people can afford—at the local level, as salaries and incomes may be very different across the board.

Another thing that we have been looking at is whether the housing need and demand assessment is fit for purpose. You have pointed to the importance of councils understanding the need in their area to bring forward the right type of housing.

Thank you very much. It has been a super morning. The evidence has been really helpful for us, and we appreciate it.

I now suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:37 Meeting suspended.  

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