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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I understand that, but I am confused as to why we are talking at length about glue traps, and I am trying to get clarity. We are talking about them because the bill is bringing in provisions on glue traps, but it is about wildlife management, muirburn and specifically raptor control. I want to get clarity.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

On muirburn, is there anything else that you think needs to be in the bill, or are you content with it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

When we were talking about wildfires earlier, I picked up that we need to follow the precautionary principle. The desire to move from a voluntary practice to a regulated and licensed practice is because we will potentially see more wildfires happening. Maybe that will be from natural causes, but my understanding from talking to people who work in that area is that wildfires are always at the hand of a human, whether it is in error or by intention.

I picked up from what you were saying that, as wildfires increase, we will need to increase the workforce and the equipment that is on hand to attend to those. Regulating muirburn is a way of moving towards a more precautionary approach so that we limit what might happen in other areas. We have already seen, with the fires in Cannich and Corrimony, that deploying people to attend to the fires is quite challenging.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

We need to move to an ecosystem approach and look at everything as a whole.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I would be interested in hearing whether you feel that the recommendations on muirburn have been addressed in the bill and whether there is anything else that you would like to see in it. For example, in your review, you recommended increased training, which you have already addressed with my colleague Emma Harper. You also recommended that a fire danger rating system for Scotland should be introduced to better support decision making about where and when to burn, and that the Scottish Government should explore changes to the current rural payments and inspections division payments. It might not be appropriate to deal with those recommendations in the bill, but how do we ensure that they are dealt with? Is there anything else that you think should be addressed in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I am not quite sure where to bring this in, but I want to clarify something. We are talking in detail about how and where traps are used, which is very helpful, so I thank Ian Andrew for that. I get the sense that we need to do a 360° look if we are bringing in this legislation. However, primarily the legislation is being introduced to address raptor persecution. In the policy memorandum, paragraph 13, under “Policy objectives”, says:

“The use of glue to trap birds is an offence”.

That is what we are trying to tackle here, is it not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

We try to protect peat because we recognise that it is a super carbon sink. It is great that we are moving potentially to the licensing of it, but it seems odd that, on the one hand, we are funding the protection of it and, on the other hand, we are saying that it is okay to burn it, no matter the depth.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Coming back to peat depth, my understanding is that that is an historical measurement that was used by the United Kingdom Government at the time when trying to identify energy sources. The measurement was about something different. We are looking at peat in relation to the damage that can be caused.

We have a peatland restoration initiative in Scotland in which we fund land managers to restore peat, so it seems to me that we are talking about two different things when we start to talk about depth. Peat is a continuous cover and, no matter its depth, we need to protect that in terms of our carbon emissions. What are your thoughts on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I want to pursue the question that I raised earlier. The policy memorandum mentions that the bill will bring in a ban on glue traps. It says that the bill

“is being introduced to address raptor persecution and ensure that the management of grouse moors and related activities are undertaken in an environmentally sustainable and welfare conscious manner.”

Paragraph 13 of the policy memorandum states that

“The use of glue to trap birds is an offence”.

Are glue traps used? Is that what we are trying to do here with the glue-trap ban?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Good morning. Thank you for being with us this morning; so much good information has already come from your experience. You are already beginning to touch on what I wanted to get into in the meeting, which is the bigger picture in relation to land management and grouse moors, identifying the fact that we could start to create a credible science base and understand what is really going on. I am interested in hearing what you think is the potential for sustainable grouse moor management contributing to tackling the climate and biodiversity crisis. Could the bill support that?