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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Just about.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you very much for that detailed response, Nicky.

Louise, would you like to come back in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Good morning, and welcome, everyone. The Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Act 2014 aimed to better integrate the health and social care systems in Scotland through integration authorities. How does integration work in your local area currently? What are some of the advantages and disadvantages of the model that is adopted in your area? I am aware that there are two different models. Everybody will probably need to provide an answer. I ask Ross McGuffie to start.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you for that, Ross.

Before I bring in the other panellists, I will ask the next part of my question. How much money do your individual areas spend on children’s services, and how has that funding changed over the past decade? Can you give me a comparison with any changes that there might have been in outcomes for young people? In short, I am asking about the money that has been spent and the impact on the outcomes.

Louise, could you respond first?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Do you have any figures for how much is being spent on children’s services and how that funding relates to outcomes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Do you think that there is a risk that children’s needs would get lost under the adult needs if children’s services are brought into the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

I was going to cover the UNCRC in my questions, but I am aware that a lot about that has already come out in your evidence. However, I will try to pull some threads or get you to go a little bit further.

We have recognised that we are dealing with a framework bill. That is the context. The other contextual aspect is that no decision has been made on whether children’s services will be included in the national care service, so the committee is looking at that. In that context, to what degree can a meaningful assessment of the impact on rights be considered at this stage?

Iain Nisbet, you leaned forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Will the framework that is in place at the start of the process help to accelerate implementation, or will it be a hindrance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Do you think that consideration of the impact of significant changes to the care system on the rights of children and their families can be undertaken in the time that it takes for the regulations to progress through Parliament? I would like to explore timescales and how they fit together a little bit further.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Kaukab Stewart

I will ask about the Promise and whether we are on target to implement it, so I am afraid that my questions will be mainly for Fraser McKinlay, but I invite the other witnesses to chip in as much as they can.

Fraser, in a letter to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, you said:

“Children and families repeatedly told the Independent Care Review the way the system works is a primary barrier to change”.

Will you expand on that? What are the impacts of the way that the system works at the moment? I want a bit more information about what the problems are with the current system. I am particularly interested in the views of the service users—children and parents—not those of agencies.