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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Kaukab Stewart

There has been a lot of discussion of inclusive communication. My initial delving into it indicates that there is no consistency. There are councils and public sector providers that are doing a really good job on inclusive communication but it is not consistent. I hope that we can address that through the bill and by spreading good practice.

Again, intersectionality comes into it as well. There are different layers of communication. We are not just talking about British Sign Language, for instance, but inclusive communication in everything for the hard of hearing—I am not going to list all the groups, because you always forget something, so please forgive me.

The general principle of it is that there are amazing good practices, but people use that term “postcode lottery”, which means that, depending on where you live, you do or do not get something. We cannot have that.

The principle of inclusive communication is important because it goes to the heart of the dignity and agency of those who have communication barriers. Perhaps they do not have the barriers; perhaps it is us who are creating those barriers, so it is on us to deal with them.

We need to ensure that provision is consistent. The public service equity duty is a big part of that. Again, it is about using the carrot and the stick. Currently, I am looking at whether there is a place for legislation. However, remember that we work in partnership with local authorities through the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. We have to respect that relationship, so we need to consider whether the best way is for the Scottish Government to legislate or whether we need to provide the tools and the frameworks.

Also, ministers have additional powers to strongly suggest—well, more than suggest; I cannot remember the phrase that is in the powers—something. I am considering those at the moment. What powers do we have to enforce that everybody is honouring their duties with regard to inclusive communications?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

Our second agenda item is consideration of one negative Scottish statutory instrument: SSI 2023/375. I refer members to paper 1.

No members have indicated that they have any comments to make. That being the case, are members content not to make any comment to the Parliament on this instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

That was a pretty comprehensive answer. I do not see any indication that anyone else wants to come in. Do you have any further questions, Annie?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

I point out to members and our contributors that we were scheduled to finish this meeting at 11 o’clock. I can allow a little bit of leeway, but I would like people to focus on succinct answers. There is no need for repetition and that goes for members because we have questions coming up that might have already been covered.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you, Maggie. That is appreciated. I will move swiftly on to Fulton MacGregor, please.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

The third agenda item is to continue our budget scrutiny. I welcome to the meeting Clare Gallagher, who is the human rights officer from the Council of Ethnic Minority Voluntary Sector Organisations, also known by abbreviation as CEMVO Scotland; Professor Angela O’Hagan, chair of the Scottish Government’s equality and human rights budget advisory group; and Heather Williams, the training lead from the Scottish Women’s Budget Group. You are all very welcome this morning.

As our meeting today is entirely virtual, I remind our witnesses and members to type R in the meeting chat if they would like to come in on any questions as we go through the session. I also remind members to direct their questions to a particular witness in the first instance.

I refer members to papers 2 and 3 and I invite each of our witnesses to make some opening remarks. We will start with Clare Gallagher.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you, Clare. I invite Angela O’Hagan to make an opening statement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you, Angela. I will move swiftly on to Heather Williams.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you, Heather. Angela, do you have a view?

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