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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

There are so many other areas in that theme that I would like to explore, but I am conscious of time. I will move to the next theme, which is pensioner poverty among different groups.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

That is interesting. Thanks.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

Ideally, you want somebody to chap your door to get you to fill in all the forms a year before you are due to retire. That would be a very person-centred approach that says, “Here is everything you are entitled to and a timeline of how you can do it, and you do not have to go online, given some of the challenges that you have faced.â€

The session has been really interesting. We will decide how to take all of that forward.

11:05 Meeting continued in private until 11:34.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

That was great. Thanks, Debbie. Richard, do you want to come in?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

Thank you very much, Adam. I understand that Claire Cairns wants to come in. I am conscious, too, that we need to move on. Adam has already touched on our next theme, which is energy and food costs. I will bring in Claire Cairns and then Mark McLeod, after which we will move on to explore our next theme on those subjects.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

We will move on to the next theme, which is the cost of living and energy and food costs, although we have skirted round that a wee bit. As we know, everybody has been affected by increases in the cost of living, which are due to two key factors: the hike in energy prices and the huge inflationary increase in food costs. We want to explore the experiences that you have had of the impact that older people are facing as a result of the means testing of the winter fuel payment, although I remind everybody that active legal proceedings are under way on that—please be aware of that.

What has been the impact of that change and of the hike in energy prices? Are there solutions that we, as politicians, could explore further? There is also the impact of house conditions and home energy efficiency, which we have touched on. How can we do better on those issues?

I open that up to anybody who would like to come in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

Our next item of business is a round-table discussion on the causes of pensioner poverty and the actions required to resolve them.

I welcome our witnesses to today’s meeting. In the room, we have Adam Stachura, associate director of policy, communications and external affairs, Age Scotland; Richard Gass, welfare rights and money advice manager, Glasgow City Council; Debbie Horne, policy and public affairs manager, Independent Age; and Mark McLeod, fuel poverty partnerships manager, Home Energy Scotland. We are joined remotely by Claire Cairns, director, Coalition of Carers in Scotland; and Heidi Karjalainen, senior research economist, Institute for Fiscal Studies. Thank you for joining us.

This meeting is in a round-table format, which we hope will enable a free-flowing conversation—the committee is very much in listening mode today. Please indicate to me when you wish to speak; those attending online should type an R in the Zoom chat box.

We intend to focus on four main themes today, but we should have time to discuss other relevant issues. I invite Marie McNair to introduce the first theme.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pensioner Poverty

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Collette Stevenson

Has any research been done on what an average pensioner should have in a week and what the gap is between that and what they receive?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Collette Stevenson

Did you want to come in, Ally?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Collette Stevenson

I believe that Jeremy Balfour wants to come in, and then Marie McNair will, and that will conclude our session.