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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

Minister, you have already offered clarity on a number of the points that I was going to raise.

During stage 1 scrutiny, the Scottish Government confirmed its intention that the integration joint boards will be replaced by new local care boards. Is that replacement still the intention?

To follow on from that, what reassurance can you give local government stakeholders that care boards will be suitably aligned with local government?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

To follow on from that, are you expecting the representation on care boards to be quite standard or expecting variation, or are you not quite sure about that yet? How does that fit in with eliminating variation across local authority areas?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill (Stage 1 Timetable)

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

Thanks very much for allowing me back in, convener.

Minister, you mentioned self-directed support, and many of the witnesses have spoken about self-directed support being an excellent initiative and the legislation being excellent. That initiative is along the same lines as the national care service and it has the same kind of ethos behind it, because it is all about people having agency and control, and putting what matters to them at the centre.

With that in mind, is there a focus on building on that initiative and replicating its successes? It has worked incredibly well in some places and not so well in other places where it has not been properly embedded. Is any work being done on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

Thanks for that answer. That really is a change. A lot more time will be spent with those people who have committed serious offences as well. Yes, care providers are very supportive of the bill, but they are also very clear about the real risks around accommodating those older young people. Sometimes, very serious or even gruesome offences have been committed, and we must take the risks really seriously.

Obviously, the expertise of those involved in secure care is hugely important. They have been talking about grouping together children and young people in groups that are quite safe. Can you give some reassurance that you will be working closely with those directly involved in secure care to find a way forward on the issue? As you said, they have expertise and specialist training so that they can understand the complex needs involved.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

I have a short question. When you are doing that work alongside providers, are you happy to build in and take seriously any need for flexibility, including with regard to infrastructure, to ensure that they are able to work effectively with those young people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

Whether children and young people in secure care are secured on welfare or offence grounds, they are the most vulnerable and at-risk people in Scotland. The bill will bring changes for secure accommodation providers, because they will be accommodating older young people and, as the convener spoke about, those young people who have committed serious offences.

I have two questions. First, what care and support needs do you anticipate for those young people who have committed the most serious offences? Secondly, how will staff who currently work in secure care settings be trained and supported to perform that role?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

Yes, that is great. Stephen Bermingham, do you want to comment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

Jackie Irvine mentioned ASN and Tony Buchanan spoke about intensive support and intervention. From the evidence that we have heard, it seems that people are trying to get the most out of their time in young offenders institutions and secure care. It seems that, at that point, everything speeds up and a young person can get a diagnosis that, if they had had it earlier, would have perhaps prevented them from ending up in the place that they are in. Does anyone have any comments on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

I suppose that my questions follow on from what Jenny Brotchie was saying, so I will come to her first. Kate Wallace from Victim Support Scotland told us in evidence about a “lack of information sharing” and that

“People who have been harmed by children or young people do not get ... information”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 29 March 2023; c 33.]

about their cases. Is the bill strong enough in dealing with that aspect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Stephanie Callaghan

That would happen if, for example, it was serious—if there had been a serious sexual assault or something like that. There was also a suggestion that there should be a victim notification scheme, similar to the existing one for adults, so that people would feel that they could keep themselves safe and have agency. What about that aspect of it?