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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

We can do that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

If the running costs of bus companies go up, they will manage that as an operator. I am quite sure that their costs are going up, because the costs of fuel, electricity and everything else have gone through the roof, as you are well aware.

In 2006-07, there were 900,000 cardholders. In 2023-24, there were 1,618,128 cardholders. People are using the buses—they are getting on public transport—which was the purpose of the scheme in the first place.

I get that everybody is juggling finances, Mr Lumsden. Life is difficult right now—there is no doubt about it—but the Government cannot allow rates to keep going up and up. Again, coming back to Mr Doris’s point, we are trying to protect public funds as best we can while encouraging people on to buses. It is a balancing act. It is not easy; these things are tricky. We are doing the very best job that we can.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes, we are, which is why—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Bus companies will take commercial decisions on how much to increase their fares, and they will work out what the ratio is going to be.

On increasing the number of people who are getting on buses, we just talked about the fact that so many young people are now using buses. We are creating a habit of using this mode of transport for a generation, which will then go on to the next generation. We hope to continue that process, so that bus travel becomes an essential part of Scotland’s ability to stay connected.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes—let me rephrase that: in coming weeks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

We will be able to tell you more when we get closer to publishing.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Oh, I can tell that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

I will give you no commitments at the moment. I would have to come back to you with the details of that, because that is not something that I have looked at.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

I have not looked into it, to be absolutely honest, so you will just need to give me some time to get into the brief better.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes, I can. That rate was based on the modelling and the fact that we did not use all the funding that was made available for the scheme last year. The model has been set in such a way that the predicted usage reflects the usage in years gone by, so the cut is in line with anticipated use.