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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Work is also being done on getting national health service boards to use venison. The good food nation plan, under the Good Food Nation (Scotland) Act 2022, will set out how people should engage with food in their local areas. I encourage local authorities to see venison as a product that is, as the convener said, healthy, that we should be proud of and that we should promote to our schools, colleges and as many other places as possible.

I am seeing far more venison on supermarket shelves than I did previously and I regularly buy venison burgers for my dad, who has a new-found love for them. The more that we, as consumers, consume the product, the more it will become part of our national diet, so that is something that we should all be trying to do.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Every local authority will be producing a good food nation plan, so we can all encourage our local authorities to look at how venison can fit into those plans.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

That would be my hope, yes, but we would have the ability to go further if we needed to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I do not think that we will be doing that in secondary legislation. The term “public interest” is widely used in legislation and, particularly in the context of the bill that we are looking at, the public interest might be one thing in a Highlands setting and completely different in a lowland setting. We will not be defining public interest in secondary legislation. We do not think that that is needed, and it could have unintended consequences, because you could define public interest and it could then turn out that you need a different definition for something else.

I suggest that, at this stage, we are looking at a general understanding of what the public interest is, and we should trust NatureScot, when it is having those conversations with people who are relevant to the public-interest test, to find common ground.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Public interest encompasses collective needs, values and interests of society as a whole rather than those of individuals or specific groups. The expression is to be understood and applied contextually. What constitutes public interest in different situations may be different. It may also evolve over time. For example, at the moment, a significant interest for the public at large is the concern about biodiversity loss and climate change. However, other public policy considerations might be relevant to any given decision, which requires NatureScot to take a very holistic approach to its decision making in relation to deer.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I do not understand. We have already said that it will be set out in the code of practice.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

The public interest will be proportionate to the area, as I said in my previous answer. It would be entirely different in west Perthshire from what it would be in lowland Scotland or urban Glasgow. It is not about the proportionality of the approach from Government or the legislation; it is about how NatureScot then defines that with the people who it is bringing those plans into place with. Does that make sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

When you say the deer groups, are you talking about the deer management groups?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Do you mean that the deer management groups think that their concerns about how they make a living would be overlooked in favour of a restoration order? I apologise if I am being dim here. I am just not quite getting your point.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

That makes sense to me now, so thank you for the clarification.

That is the whole point of the public interest test—when we talk about the public, we include those deer managers. They are part of the community in which they are living. Therefore, cognisance would have to be taken of all of that during any public interest test. Whether it is low or high ground, all those considerations will have to come into play.