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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

If we carry on with the legislation as it is, there will be a panel, regardless. That goes back to the point that Mr Lumsden made. [Interruption.] I will let you finish your point. I apologise; that was rude.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I did not speak to the transport secretary when I learned that the motion to annul was being lodged. I looked at the concerns and at why this was becoming an issue. I take on board the issues, but I go back to the primary point that I made, which is that if the committee does not pass the SSI, that will set us back considerably.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No. I envisage鈥攁nd very much hope鈥攖hat what will happen next is that the committee will pass the SSI today, which will allow us to continue to move forward with franchising. If that is not the case, I will have to go away and we will have to have some discussions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes鈥擲PT can continue with its work.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes. When we consider the legislative options, I would take that back to the cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

If the regulations are to be annulled, I assure you that the rest of my day will be scrapped鈥攍et me put it that way. We will go away and have a long and detailed conversation about what will happen next. If the instrument was annulled, the panels would still be implemented and they would then be decided on entirely by the traffic commissioner, without any input from us. That would be the net result.

We would then have to consider whether that was a road that we were prepared to go down or whether we had to stop the approach in its entirety. That is why I am saying that we would be going back to square 1.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

It will be sometime in 2026-27.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I will not give any commitment about what I will do if the instrument is annulled. The only commitment that I can give you is that, if it is not annulled, I will certainly bring the guidance back to the committee so that you can scrutinise it. Other than that, I cannot give any other commitment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I will restrain myself, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I was not even sitting in the Parliament in 2019, so I cannot answer for the decision-making process at the time, but I trust the parliamentary procedure, and I trust that the people who look at regulations or acts as they are going forward do their due diligence. Therefore, we are where we are.

As for whether we should continue with this, we face a stark choice鈥攅ither we do not continue with it or we do. If we do continue with the regulations, franchising will happen more quickly. If we do not continue with them, we will have to change primary legislation, which, as you know, is not the simplest thing to do and will require a great deal of time and energy.