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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

With regard to the asks of Get Glasgow Moving, I had a quick discussion and debate with Ellie Harrison of the group before we came to the meeting, and a lot of those points were raised. She made a strong argument and is very good at what she does. She is asking for streamlining, but our position is that we want to get franchising done, and we want it to work. The panels are part of the 2019 act. If the committee does not pass the SSI, we will still have the panels and the Government would then have to decide how we will take that model forward.

09:45  

With regard to our scrutiny of what happens as we move forward, we will absolutely keep a close eye on how the model develops, what the guidance will look like and how that will all be implemented.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I ask Bridget Bryden to answer that, because she is working through the regulations, at the moment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

They can slide me a bit of paper with the current timelines. I am sorry, Mr Lumsden; ask me the question again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

It has been fine. There’s been nae problems.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry, convener. My question is: what would the alternative be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

What part of the process does the member want to change? We either have a panel or we do not have a panel. If we do not, that would require changes to be made to primary legislation. Does he want us to go through the primary legislation process in order to remove the panel, which would take us into 2026-27 or beyond, depending on what the political structures look like? What certainty would that give any organisation that is looking to establish a franchising system right now? If I were the chief executive of such an organisation and did not have a clue what the next Government, whatever shape or form it takes, would do on franchising, I would stop everything.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I will take Bob Doris.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I disagree with Graham Simpson’s point. If the regulations are not approved and we continue the process of creating or finalising legislation to allow franchising to go ahead, the panel will be set up, because it is in the 2019 primary legislation. The panel will be established by the traffic commissioner, who will do that entirely separately and without any involvement of the Scottish Government, ministers or anybody else. It will be entirely up to the traffic commissioner. That point needs to be clarified before the committee votes. If we do not approve the SSI, there will still be a panel, but it will have no input at all from Government or officials. [Interruption.] We have clearly set something going.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No, that is not the case. Strathclyde Partnership for Transport is part of the on-going process that the officials—