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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

It seems to highlight that we need something that is a bit more robust. Would that be fair? We are trying to get at the distinction between somebody who is out walking the dog when the dog takes off and starts chasing a rabbit or hare and somebody who deliberately sets out with a dog to hunt animals.

Clearly, as William Telford said, there is a loophole鈥攊t is easy for someone to say that they were just walking their dog and it took off to chase a hare. However, I know that guys go out with lurchers and greyhounds in a specific way.

Can we find another way of making that part of the law more robust without including rabbits? That is what I鈥檓 trying to get to.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Okay鈥攖hat gives us something to think about.

I come to Robbie Kernahan. Is NatureScot content with the exception for environmental benefit, from the perspective of your wildlife management schemes? People can get a licence for up to two years for environmental benefit but, as the bill stands, they will have 14 days in which to control a fox that is killing lambs. What is your perspective on that?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Aquaculture Regulatory Review

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

I have a quick supplementary question on your point about bringing everybody together in a one-stop shop. In your introduction, you said that one side of the argument is more organised than the other. Could it potentially stifle the growth of the industry in Scotland if one side got more organised through that one-stop shop? I am sorry to use the phrase that you challenged; it is not a one-stop shop.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Good morning, folks. Unfortunately, I will鈥攑ardon the pun鈥攖ake us down a rabbit hole. Am I right in thinking, on the basis of my own experience, that hare coursers have a particular type of dog?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

So, somebody who is out walking a poodle is highly unlikely to be hare coursing, but it is far more likely that somebody with a lurcher or greyhound will be doing so. Does the bill need to specify a particular type, or types, of dog that are ordinarily used in hare coursing?

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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

However, from a legislative point of view, where do we draw the line? A collie crossed with a greyhound could make a good hunting dog.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

As I said, I am taking us down a rabbit hole.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Can I suggest, just for time purposes, that this may be a question that Sara Shaw should consider?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Thank you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

In the scenario that Finlay Carson has laid out, would a dog not have to chase and kill that rabbit for it to be an offence? Generally, if a Labrador or a spaniel is flushing, as soon as the bird goes up, their nose will be back on the ground. They will not necessarily chase and kill the bird. If they are flushing, will it be an offence if they do not chase the rabbit?