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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

What you have just outlined is not part of the thinking for the model that we are considering. We have committed to looking at a price cap pilot scheme that would cap fares at £2, but there are a number of considerations to take into account, including where the pilot will take place, what we will do with it, what we want to achieve through it and what the long-term objective would be. A number of areas would need to be explored for us to be sure that that was the right rate.

You are talking about moving budgets and how those budgets will be used. I note that the committee has raised that issue before—I think that Mr Matheson raised it with the cabinet secretary in the previous budget session.

We are aware that a number of conversations are being had about whether the schemes represent the best use of public funds at the moment. There will always be potential for us to develop ideas and look at different ways of doing things but, at the moment, the concessionary scheme is as it is. It is working. It is clearly hitting the objectives that the Government is trying to achieve and it is working for passengers and operators.

In addition, we are now thinking about other ways to get more people to use the bus. As I have said before, I am clearly committed to trying to increase bus patronage, but there are a number of factors for us to consider.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

We are not trying to favour anybody over anybody else; we are trying to get people to use the buses more frequently and more often, and we are trying to change the patterns of behaviour. I do not think that anyone on this committee, across the Parliament or, indeed, in the country thinks that the scheme is not working. It is getting people to use the bus and getting young people into the habit of using the bus.

We do not have sufficient data to be able to set a cap at this stage. We have clear evidence that the scheme is working by getting people to use the bus. The scheme is clearly welcomed by the bus operators and it is helping us to achieve our objectives. All in all, I think that the scheme is working remarkably well.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

There is a degree of ferry passenger subsidy—I use the word “subsidy”, although it is a word that I hate. If we put more into the ferries, we will be taking it out of bus travel. At the moment, we have a reasonable balance. We would like to do more as we go forward. I am actively looking at all the areas of all the systems that we have. How do we improve them? How do we make them better? How do we get more people to actively engage in bus usage?

Your question is fair, and I take your point on board. There are areas that I am actively looking at across my portfolio, and I will continue to update the committee as and when we make any changes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I am quite happy to leave it there.

Motion agreed to,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the National Bus Travel Concession Schemes (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Order 2025 be approved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Somebody will have to confirm when the pilot will be up and running.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I reiterate to you the point that I made to Rhoda Grant. I will do everything that I can to encourage as many people as possible to get involved, and we will put in place the help that they need to do so. The members of the group were quite clear that they did not want an exemption for crofters.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

That is correct.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

The basic payment is part of the legacy scheme. We will add to the legacy schemes to take us through the transition to where we are going. The fact that we have committed to ensuring direct payments from the outset was part of the legacy.

You talked about other countries in the UK having done things differently. That is fine—what they do is entirely up to them. I am not entirely convinced that some of the provisions in the bills that have been introduced elsewhere have been as successful as those who are implementing them would have liked them to be. We have used what we had in the past; we have adapted, are adapting and will continue to adapt things and I hope that we will get to where we want to be.

We have talked about a just transition from day 1—from the day that I sat on the committee as a member until today. We have always been talking about a just transition. I hope that it is clear to the committee that we are delivering that. We have taken things from the CAP system and we will integrate new parts until we get to the point where the CAP system is no longer there and the 2024 act is what we are working on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

To achieve the aspirations—no.